Kuba: So to continue on, and this is one is quite long winded haha. Yesterday after I was able to go into this fear I was thinking about physical death or serious injury etc I’ve mentioned this many times to Sonya when we would watch various movies. That the way death or serious injury is depicted speaks more to ‘humanity’s’ bent on the macabre than the factuality of what these events are like.
And I know this because when I was 10 years old I had a severe break to my arm. I fell off a tree and when I got up (in this weird daze) I looked at my arm and it was just a noodle of mangled bones. There was no pain at all, in fact I walked all the way home and when my dad opened the door I asked him if he thought my arm was broken. He always recounts this story and remembers that when he saw me I was all grey. But the point is that there was no pain and no suffering either, the body clearly “knew” what to do in such a situation, releasing this or that in order to numb pain etc.
Hi Kuba,
Let me clear some misconception. When someone has a serious accident, the body goes into physical shock and with the aid of Adrenaline and other chemicals numbs the pain. Often also ‘I’ go into the background because practical physical survival measures have to be taken care of first. Later, when the shock subsides, pain occurs according to the injuries obtained and eventually ‘me’ with ‘my’ fears and worries comes back to centre stage. It’s been recorded of car accidents when people seriously injured have walked for miles only to break down once they reach help.
“Feeling no pain immediately after a car accident is common, but it does not mean you are uninjured. Adrenaline and shock often mask injuries, with symptoms like whiplash, internal damage, or stiffness often appearing hours or days later.” (https://www.cnsomd.com/blog/)
Kuba: So this is what I was thinking yesterday, that clearly the body “knows” how to die, it is set up to be able to do this, and the same for any other significant injuries, childbirth etc. And I am beginning to have the same confidence with regards to proceeding towards ‘my’ extinction, that all what is required is provided as/when needed. Which means that the only thing ‘I’ have to busy ‘myself’ with is simply proceeding.
Ha, the familiar mapping out what is going to happen – fact is that the body does not die upon self-immolation, it is ‘me’ who is needs to, voluntarily and in full agreement, ‘self’-immolate – and when ‘you’ push before ‘you’ are ready to voluntarily manumit your flesh-and-blood body from bondage, then as a consequence ‘you’ create illusionary scenarios up to altered states of consciousness to avoid the frightening situation.
The confidence you are having now is based on a false narrative and won’t last.
Kuba: And furthermore the heebie-jeebies come only when ‘I’ stall or hesitate. (link)
The “heebie-jeebies” are in themselves the stalling or hesitating. It is one and same. Once you get back to feeling good you will see that for yourself. More on this below.
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Vineeto:
Richard: No … because no one has ‘the necessary intestinal fortitude to proceed’ before they proceed: it comes in sufficient quality, and only as required by the circumstances, as one proceeds. [Emphasis added]. (Richard, AF List, Alan, 28 Jan 2001).
Kuba: Ha such synchronicity, if you have a look at my above post written just a few minutes before yours, this was exactly where I arrived yesterday. And just to clarify more what I referred to here – “And furthermore the heebie-jeebies come only when ‘I’ stall or hesitate.”
Hi Kuba,
Upon careful re-reading you will see it is not synchronicity. You have not yet started “to proceed” but gone into (non-factual) narratives.
Kuba:
Richard: ‘A deep feeling of dread, the abject intuition of impending doom, is fraught with foreboding, be it a grim, dire, or awful presage, and this intensely apprehensive trepidation is symptomatic of the existential angst (the anguish of the essential insecurity of being a contingent ‘being’) which underpins all suffering. As such an occasion of profound dread is an opportune moment to plumb the depths of ‘being’ itself (‘me’ at the core of ‘my’ being) … rather than avoidance through realisation of the portentous event as all manner of phantasmagoria can be manifested by such evasion. With pure intent one can enable a movement into the existential angst, rather than despairingly grasping at doomsday straws, which movement facilitates the bright light of awareness being shone into the innermost recesses of ‘my’ presence … which is ‘presence’ itself. (Richard, List B, James3, 21 Nov 2002a).
Kuba: So it is ‘my’ evasion which occasions the heebie-jeebies, otherwise there can be a movement into this raw fear, with “the bright light of awareness being shone into the innermost recesses of ‘my’ presence … which is ‘presence’ itself.” (link)
You said in a previous post –
Kuba: So today when I got a whiff of it, I was quite excited actually, the difference now is that I find myself in a far better position to proceed. This fear I no longer experienced as an “unpalatable resistance”, instead I experienced it as this raw apprehension at the prospect of no longer ‘being’. And I was able to allow a fascinated attention right into it, without moving (psychically).
I have been having a very grand time since … (link)
This “I was able to allow a fascinated attention right into it” happened then but this moment of apperceptive clarity is not happening now. Instead, you are presently building a castle with preposterous [back-to-front] “phantasmagoria”, thinking you still “allow a fascinated attention right into it”.
I am confident you will figure this out for yourself in due course.
Here is a reminder from Richard which might, eventually, give you pause to clear your head and start again –
Richard: Wherever there be no underestimating the extent to which a lost, lonely, frightened and very, very cunning feeling-being will go in order to remain affectively-psychically in existence – millions upon millions of years of blind nature’s successful perpetuation of the species via its rough-and-ready instinctual survival passions blindly dictates no other course of action can ever instinctually come about – is where there be far less likelihood of ascribing to nescience that which quite properly has its roots in the visceral wiliness of the wild which has so successfully proliferated the species thus far.
It is no-one’s fault if they be more cunning – more instinctively wily – than the norm as it is genetic inheritance which determines the degree to which instinctual drives, urges, impulses, appetites, and all the rest, are operating.
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’Tis no little thing what we are doing here on this forum – the implications and ramifications stemming from actively participating in this pioneering enterprise are truly enormous – and I am well-pleased to see the vitalising pioneer-spirit, which has brought the human race thus far, is not only still alive and well but, arguably, operating and functioning even better than ever! (Richard, List D, Alan, #1).
I am not suggesting that you are “more cunning – more instinctively wily – than the norm” but this was the best quote to point out not to underestimate “the extent to which a lost, lonely, frightened and very, very cunning feeling-being will go in order to remain affectively-psychically in existence”. This is one of those situations where you confuse yourself so thoroughly and cunningly that I have trouble following, let alone untangling your complicated web.
The fascinating thing is, this is how the conversation started with you “getting tangled up in knots”. (link)
Cheers Vineeto