Jesus Carlos Journal

Vineeto: To become the spiritual ‘witness’ is to have arbitrarily selected a certain bundle of tender feelings, chopped them off from the rest of the surging flow of savage feelings and – by calling this bundle ‘Intelligence’ – to eventually realise oneself to be the unitive and centreless ontological entity (called ‘God’ by any other name) swimming in the ‘Ocean Of Oneness’ … unborn and undying; birthless and deathless; timeless and spaceless; formless and ceaseless; immortal and immutable. Yet, unbeknown to those who perform this prestidigitation, to be divinity is to be cacodemonic … diabolical in the sense that the savage feelings are kept subliminally alive. [emphasis added]. (AF List, No. 7, 18 Feb 1999).

JesusCarlos: I’ll be extra careful with this!
As I am navigating in an extremely aggressive territory, I think that just these feelings are more active than before, and I am not recognizing them enough. They are doubly dangerous because they can feel like good feelings, because they serve to magnify me and give me strength, when “I need it most” because I perceive threats from others. But that’s not being harmless and considerate. Now I can see more clearly what is happening to me (or rather: what I’m doing).

Hi JesusCarlos,

When you say “these [savage] feelings are more active than before” at least you haven’t repressed them and are able to identify when they are happening. The best way to deal with anger and aggression is to neither suppress nor express them and thus allow the third alternative to hove into view. Richard gave a vivid detailed description how ‘he’ effectively got rid of full-blown anger (after he had identified and eliminated ‘his’ resentment of being alive) –

>Richard (speaking in the third person on the 13th of January, 2013):
In the late-afternoon of an otherwise typical summer’s day, in 1981, a six-foot-two man was standing in the kitchen of his ex-farmhouse being soundly berated, as was also typical, by his four-foot-eleven wife; he was in a bind, a double-bind, in fact, and of his own making insofar as he had formed the intent, a few weeks earlier (on the 1st of January), to live life as it had been in their all-too-brief honeymoon period a little over fourteen years previously; his intent to do so was formed as a way of having it segue into the pristine purity of the four-hour perfection experience, indelibly imprinted in his memory, which he had experienced in all its marvellous wonder in the mid-winter of the previous year; his wife, having impetuously agreed that day to travel in concert with him, had already succumbed to the same-old same-old and was out to have him crack, too, so that their life together could revert to normal (having put all that pie-in-the-sky romantic nonsense back where it belonged in the wishful-thinking department).
As he stood there, with the slowly-setting sun streaming yellow through the wide-open French doors leading out onto the brick-paved patio, he was quite aware that a similar scene had taken place only the day before, plus how he had managed to keep his act together only by the exigency of abruptly vacating the scene, until the barely suppressed anger she had invoked in him had subsided enough to return; he was acutely aware, also, that she had his number and, as far as she was concerned, it was only a matter of time before he too succumbed to the same-old same-old; and as he stood there he was uncomfortably aware that the same anger of yesterday was rising, slowly but inexorably, from the solar plexus up toward the rib-cage diaphragm.
There was no way he was going to suppress it – he’d had a lifetime of the failure of the ‘stiff upper lip’ approach – and he was damn’d if he was going to express it, either (for then this four-foot-eleven female would have triumphed over this six-foot-two male yet again); the vision of having to vacate the scene once more – and again and again off into a sombrely-looming future – was not at all an attractive option, yet, if all else failed, he supposed he could always make the unseemly dash to the door.
Thus he stood there still, despite feeling the anger rising ever upward, through the rib-cage diaphragm, and now suffusing the thoracic region with its all-too-familiar temptation.
And he could see her eyes begin to gleam, even through the wrathful glare which had transfixed him all the while, and he just knew she was zeroing in for the kill; his own anger was mounting, ever-simmering and seething it was brimming at the region of the lower throat by now; her face was flushed with purple, with nostrils quite distended, and spittle flecked her livid lips as her shrilling rose to fever pitch; he had left it too late to beat a hasty retreat and his throat muscles quivered as the brimming anger shimmered and shifted into a pre-shout mode born of old and … and, wonder of wonders, that oh-so-familiar throat-muscle quivering skipped a beat or two and began to ease!
With a rapidly-mounting amazement and delight, he marvelled at the fact that he had, in some way, neither suppressed nor succumbed and that he had finally freed himself of domination by this four-foot-whatever fleshly package of seething anger and hatred that had usurped the mother of his and her children.
And as the slowly-setting sun streams golden from the west another world entirely hoves into view.
Pristine and pure, ever-fresh and new, peerless perfection permeates all and sundry, without exception, and he knows with a certainty that his life is never going to be the same ever again.
Ain’t life grand! (Richard, Selected Correspondence, Aggression).

The story following this one at the same link is also very instructive.

Cheers Vineeto

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‘not taking offence in the first place’

Can I emotionally accept that which is intellectually unacceptable?

The crux of the issue is that, as each and every identity is a feeling-being at root (i.e., ‘I’ am ‘my’ feelings and ‘my’ feelings are ‘me’), all identities are hereditarily programmed by blind nature to emotionally-passionally react, instantaneously, to affectively-felt and/or psychically-intuited threats to their existence because, at their very core, it is ‘being’ itself at dire risk (i.e., ‘me’ at the core of ‘my’ being is ‘being’ itself).

it is the psychic web where the real power-play takes place. Howsoever, once the practice of not taking offence becomes habituated even the most virulent affective and/or psychic power-play—being thereby recognised for what it is—can thus be weathered with relative ease.

one of the most persistent forms of anger is indignation (or righteous anger/ justifiable anger): it can be eradicated rather simply by the realisation that its raison d’être – a guardian against injustice, unjustness, unfairness, inequality (partiality, discrimination, and so on) – is as much a human invention as those concepts it defends … justice, justness, fairness, equality (impartiality, indiscrimination, and so on).

It has been wonderful to come home, after a weekend trip, and read this link you shared @Vineeto

On the way back, I was talking to my partner about exactly this. After having read your feedback yesterday (and @Kub933 's), and having dismantled the shame I felt (not only seeing it as silly, but also recognizing the enormous opportunity to learn), due to the wounded pride of being exposed, I was able to recognize the underlying problem: the indignation I feel at the injustices that have been committed in the public service arena where I work. But, as Richard noted, this indignation is nothing more than an other human construct, a belief, a guardian, that I have made part of my personality.

What is truly useful to do is not to feel offended by those threats around me, but to prevent these intellectually unacceptable injustices from affecting me emotionally. And act objectively. Otherwise what is articulated in me is the feeling and desire to take revenge, or to defend myself, or to attack before being attacked. And those are the triggers of continuous stress in the work environment.

How fun it would be not to be affected, and just act from consideration for any human being, looking for the best solution, from the operation of free intelligence. But without becoming emotionally depressed if it is still not possible to achieve the best solution, because we are dealing with human beings with instincts and passions operating. To see the problem objectively, factually and not personally.

How fun and beneficial and naive it would be to start dismantling the way of doing politics, where every means justifies the end. Instead of this ancient wisdom, appreciate and enjoy this only moment of being alive, as we work to solve the problems of urban management (or anything else).

We’ll see how it goes tomorrow! :laughing:

Thank you!

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Richard: … one of the most persistent forms of anger is indignation (or righteous anger/ justifiable anger): it can be eradicated rather simply by the realisation that its raison d’être – a guardian against injustice, unjustness, unfairness, inequality (partiality, discrimination, and so on) – is as much a human invention as those concepts it defends … justice, justness, fairness, equality (impartiality, indiscrimination, and so on). link

JesusCarlos: It has been wonderful to come home, after a weekend trip, and read this link you shared, Vineeto.
On the way back, I was talking to my partner about exactly this. After having read your feedback yesterday (and Kub933’s), and having dismantled the shame I felt (not only seeing it as silly, but also recognizing the enormous opportunity to learn), due to the wounded pride of being exposed, I was able to recognize the underlying problem: the indignation I feel at the injustices that have been committed in the public service arena where I work. But, as Richard noted, this indignation is nothing more than an other human construct, a belief, a guardian, that I have made part of my personality.

Isn’t that wonderful. Yesterday Claudiu reports that he was dismantling his intellectual pride, and today you report the same about “wounded pride”! What synchronicity. And you could dismantle “the shame” as a similarly useless installation of your social identity. It’s like the onion (the identity) is peeling itself. :blush:

It is correct what you say about indignation and it’s easy to understand intellectually. Feeling being ‘Vineeto’ found it rather a sticky feeling with all its ‘noble’ connotations attached, and first ‘she’ had to acknowledge that there was nothing noble about being indignant and neither did anybody benefit from ‘her’ feeling indignant.

What is truly useful to do is not to feel offended by those threats around me, but to prevent these intellectually unacceptable injustices from affecting me emotionally. And act objectively. Otherwise what is articulated in me is the feeling and desire to take revenge, or to defend myself, or to attack before being attacked. And those are the triggers of continuous stress in the work environment.

Yes this is “truly useful” “not to feel offended”, and each time you do feel offended, there is another opportunity to discover something new about yourself. For instance why did what someone said offend you. What ideal is questioned by the other, what belief, even what ‘truth’, what ‘noble’ sentiment to defend? It is fascinating to detect, and then be able to decline, these newly discovered stumbling blocks … and you will see how quickly they diminish to a fraction of what there was at the start of your investigations. After each time discovery you can act more objectively and interrupt the otherwise endless cycle of ‘tit-for-tat’.

How fun it would be not to be affected, and just act from consideration for any human being, looking for the best solution, from the operation of free intelligence. But without becoming emotionally depressed if it is still not possible to achieve the best solution, because we are dealing with human beings with instincts and passions operating. To see the problem objectively, factually and not personally.
How fun and beneficial and naive it would be to start dismantling the way of doing politics, where every means justifies the end. Instead of this ancient wisdom, appreciate and enjoy this only moment of being alive, as we work to solve the problems of urban management (or anything else).

Mmh, yes that is fun and beneficial and naïve, and it is eminently possible to be that … Presently it is wishful thinking but it gives you a wonderful motivation to be attentive to how you feel and what diminishes your feeling good each moment again.

We’ll see how it goes tomorrow! Thank you! :laughing:

It’s a pleasure to talk about my favourite topic.

Cheers Vineeto

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…experiencing waves of sensations running through my body, including the intense purring of my cat vibrating on my belly, near that point in the plexus where naivety is found. But this began to happen after rereading this wonderful text: https://discuss.actualism.online/t/ians-journal/1015/45 and @claudiu and @Kub933 last reflections, regarding how unnecessary I am now once I have completed the task of raising an adult…or:

amazing! delicious, truly sweet…

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Yesterday I had a fundamentally bad time. At times neutral. But very rarely good. Let’s not say very good. This is in stark contrast to my experience on Tuesday night, where I deeply contacted my naivety and experienced a lot of pleasure in simply being alive. Today I woke up again with physical (I think I have a flu) and emotional discomfort. But within these few hours of the morning, I was able to feel good again. And I remember again how it is essential to make the decision to feel good, to choose to feel good and not follow old inclinations. It is a habit that I must overcome and now that I feel better I can observe it more carefully: I have resentment for the simple fact of being alive and that things are not always the way “I” want them. It may help to analyze why I want what I want, but if I look closer, I recognize that what I want is recognition. I long for recognition. I won’t say more because I will be observing that need throughout the day and finding a way to free myself from it.

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JesusCarlos: Yesterday I had a fundamentally bad time. At times neutral. But very rarely good. Let’s not say very good. This is in stark contrast to my experience on Tuesday night, where I deeply contacted my naivety and experienced a lot of pleasure in simply being alive. Today I woke up again with physical (I think I have a flu) and emotional discomfort. But within these few hours of the morning, I was able to feel good again. And I remember again how it is essential to make the decision to feel good, to choose to feel good and not follow old inclinations. It is a habit that I must overcome and now that I feel better I can observe it more carefully: I have resentment for the simple fact of being alive and that things are not always the way “I” want them. It may help to analyze why I want what I want, but if I look closer, I recognize that what I want is recognition. I long for recognition. I won’t say more because I will be observing that need throughout the day and finding a way to free myself from it. (link)

Hi JesusCarlos,

This reaction seems quite natural. I see that in your previous post you said –

JesusCarlos : But this began to happen after rereading this wonderful text: https://discuss.actualism.online/t/ians-journal/1015/45 1 and @claudiu and @Kub933 last reflections 1, regarding how unnecessary I am now […]

Isn’t it amazing that you were be able to so quickly “feel good again”, due to having made “the decision to feel good”.

Longing “for recognition” is not something superficial, it is an inbuilt feature of the human condition. You not only “long for recognition”, ‘you’ need it for ‘your’ very existence. ‘You’, the identity’, being a contingent ‘being’, cannot exist on ‘your’ own – ‘you’ require constant confirmation to justify and confirm ‘your’ existence, else ‘your’ non-substantial nature will become apparent. With this comes a desire to hide and a fear of being exposed as a fraud, an impostor. I remember feeling being ‘Vineeto’s’ reaction to this alarming discovery quite well.

‘Vineeto’: … this guilt of ‘being a being’ is intrinsic to every human being. The only way I became aware of this basic layer of guilt of being a ‘self’ was by repeated exposure to the perfection, purity and innocence as experienced in a ‘self’-less PCE. The more I experience purity and perfection, when this flesh and blood body is free from any identity whatsoever, the more I know, as soon as ‘I’ return, that ‘I’ am a fraud, an intruder, an alien entity, a fake – I undeniably know that ‘I’ am not the genuine article. (Actualism, Vineeto, AF List, No. 38c, 28.8.2002)

‘Vineeto’: Once I made the commitment to become free ‘I’ then agreed to be discovered and to be dismantled … and there is an inherent joy and relief in no longer having to hide that ‘I’ am in fact a fraud. (Actualism, Vineeto, AF List, No. 32b, 6.3.2005)

Richard: Fear – existential angst at finding oneself to be the contingent ‘being’ one always suspected oneself to be – is both the barrier and the way to freedom. Always included in fear is a thrilling aspect, and by focussing upon this and not fear itself, an energy gathers momentum which does the trick for one (thrilling as in an exciting sensation through the body, stirring, stimulating, electrifying, rousing, moving, gripping, hair-raising, riveting, joyful, pleasing. throbbing, trembling, tremulous, quivering, shivering, fluttering, shuddering and vibrating).
‘I’ cannot set ‘myself’ free … but ‘I’ can set in motion a process that will lead to ‘my’ eventual demise. (Richard, List B, 12a, 18 July 1998)

So you see, you discovered straight away what the solution to longing “for recognition” will ultimately be.

Cheers Vineeto

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Lately I have been experiencing a persistent feeling of well-being. Emotions come and go, but against a background of happy, harmless feelings. Sometimes anxiety, fear, worry, but nothing that prevents me from enjoying being here and now. I find myself investigating how to go from feeling good to feeling excellent, with the same consistency (more appreciation perhaps). How exciting it is!

I can say that it was a giant step to identify resentment, to identify the need for recognition and the subsequent drama. It was very liberating to discover it, and to realize how silly it is. Of course I am not free of it, but I dont feel it anymore as a constant burden. Nipping in the bud?

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JesusCarlos: Lately I have been experiencing a persistent feeling of well-being. Emotions come and go, but against a background of happy, harmless feelings. Sometimes anxiety, fear, worry, but nothing that prevents me from enjoying being here and now. I find myself investigating how to go from feeling good to feeling excellent, with the same consistency (more appreciation perhaps). How exciting it is!

Hi JesusCarlos,

This is excellent. Definitely, appreciation will increase your feeling good, it multiplies feeling good every time you remember to sincerely appreciate being here. And when you recognize that now is the only moment you can actually experience being alive (remembering that neither the past nor the future are actually happening now) it will increase your appreciation of this very moment even more.

And the less your feeling good is interrupted by “anxiety, fear, worry” the easier it becomes appreciating being here. Do you take a closer look at anxiety, for instance, once you are back to feeling good, to find out what causes this anxiety to arise in the first place so that it won’t have to arise in the first place?

JesusCarlos: I can say that it was a giant step to identify resentment, to identify the need for recognition and the subsequent drama. It was very liberating to discover it, and to realize how silly it is.

This is good news.

JesusCarlos: Of course I am not free of it, but I don’t feel it anymore as a constant burden. Nipping in the bud?

Why do you say you are not free of the resentment after you identified it? Why did you allow it back into your life after you have realized how silly it is? If you fully recognize how silly it is there is no need to keep it – unless you nipped it in the bud too early and perhaps there is still something you need to understand about it so that it can disappear forever. Not feeling it “as a constant burden” is not good enough – fully understanding the silliness will allow you to drop it for good, never to return again. Just have another close look, it may just be a persistent habit which is equally silly to maintain.

Cheers Vineeto

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These recent diary entries and responses are fantastic

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Yes! Doing this has been essential to dismantle that old habit, that I and @Felix share. It’s a weakening process right now.

Oh! I said it in theoretical terms, but maybe I misunderstood something. When to my previous post you answered:

I concluded that only when ‘I’ self immolate, I can become free of this and every aspect of the human condition (the need of nurture and desire that are the instincts from wich ‘I’ emerge) and that before it happens what I can do is to diminish it to a 99% degree.

But apart from this, it also makes sense to me that I need to look more closely at the problem to see if I can root it out. From what I have been researching and working on in therapy (cognitive-behavioral therapy), this aspect of my personality, the intense needing of recognition and approval, was born mainly in the first three years of my life, due to the particular dynamics that occurred in my family and was strengthened over time after not having been detected earlier and dismantled it (I didn’t knew any method to do it anyways :rofl:). I am now 40 and it has been my main discovery since last year and especially in these last two months.

Thanks for your invaluable retro, as always @Vineeto

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Hey @jesus.carlos , I came across this text from Richard which you might find helpful regarding anxiety:

Richard: If you look carefully at a panic attack you will see that they go nowhere. Nothing happens other than the panic – which can climb to a crescendo – but if one stays doing whatever is the normal thing to do at this time of the day, nothing untoward will occur. I became very adept at handling panic attacks – however unpleasant – by doing nothing about them whatsoever. They were simply a nuisance and did not mean anything intrinsic at all … though one can hang them on to whatever one wishes to at the time and get into all of a sweat about nothing at all. They eventually pass if left to their own devices … it pays not to feed them with any fuel whatsoever. Doubt is the biggest enemy to face. It is helpful to remember that doubt is a feeling and not a fact. Bear in mind the quality of your numerous PCEs and just know that if this is what one must go through to be free of the Human Condition … then so be it. It is all stupid, I know, but so is war and murder and rape and torture and domestic violence and sadness and loneliness and grief and depression and suicide. This is the situation we humans find ourselves in and it is not necessarily a breeze to get out of it. If it were, no doubt many people would have done it before, eh?

(Taken from https://mail.actualfreedom.com.au/richard/generalcorrespondence/page04.htm)

Personally I find anxiety produces a kind of “wall of fear” effect that can really obscure any intelligent thought. It sometimes comes in quite a low-grade, long-duration form as well, which makes it particularly confusing to navigate (unlike say an “attack of fear” which hits but then subsides).

Obviously avoiding anxiety in the first place is ideal, but if one is already feeling anxious or it is a persistent habit then it can be tricky to know what to do.

I think the advice Richard gives in the above exchange is excellent because it helps to cut off the cyclical nature of “I feel anxious → therefore I feel something is wrong → therefore I stay anxious justifiably because something must be wrong”.

If you just see anxiety as like a nothing thing, I think it can really help cool it off. You can also “go into it” which would potentially intensify it and might end in a panic attack or something of that nature.

There can also be some actualist identity in there. Ie. I’m supposed to be feeling good each moment again, but I’m feeling anxious. I’m not supposed to feel anxious, something must be wrong (with me or with the method or with my life etc).

Ultimately anxiety goes absolutely nowhere, it’s kind of a silly mechanism and doesn’t mean anything is actually wrong. But it’s obviously not like that when you’re feeling it.

I am looking at this myself atm. There is an underlying belief as well I think, which is “feelings have meaning”. If you didn’t think the anxiety meant something it wouldn’t be able to get such a stronghold.

That being said there might be other beliefs you can identity as to why you feel bad. One common one for me is being alone - not loneliness - but fear of being alone with no group safety, in an atavistic sense. Others are aging, meaninglessness and death. All very atavistic haha.

I am investigating this area a lot because I think I had PCEs at the start a few years ago and had a lot of fear come up and just got stuck rather than moving through it.

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Vineeto: Do you take a closer look at anxiety, for instance, once you are back to feeling good, to find out what causes this anxiety to arise in the first place so that it won’t have to arise in the first place?

JesusCarlos: Yes! Doing this has been essential to dismantle that old habit, that I and Felix share. It’s a weakening process right now.

That is excellent to hear.

Vineeto: Why do you say you are not free of the resentment after you identified it? Why did you allow it back into your life after you have realized how silly it is?

JesusCarlos: Oh! I said it in theoretical terms, but maybe I misunderstood something. When to my previous post you answered:

Vineeto: So you see, you discovered straight away what the solution to longing “for recognition” will ultimately be.

I concluded that only when ‘I’ self immolate, I can become free of this and every aspect of the human condition (the need of nurture and desire that are the instincts from which ‘I’ emerge) and that before it happens what I can do is to diminish it to a 99% degree.

Mmh, so you essentially understood it that you can put off the solution to your problem to when you self-immolate?

Here is the quote from ‘Vineeto’ in that previous post –

‘Vineeto’: Once I made the commitment to become free ‘I’ then agreed to be discovered and to be dismantled … and there is an inherent joy and relief in no longer having to hide that ‘I’ am in fact a fraud. (Actualism, Vineeto, AF List, No. 32b, 6.3.2005) (link)

Did the fact of not “having to hide that ‘I’ am in fact a fraud” change anything in your “longing for recognition”?

JesusCarlos: But apart from this, it also makes sense to me that I need to look more closely at the problem to see if I can root it out. From what I have been researching and working on in therapy (cognitive-behavioral therapy), this aspect of my personality, the intense needing of recognition and approval, was born mainly in the first three years of my life, due to the particular dynamics that occurred in my family and was strengthened over time after not having been detected earlier and dismantled it (I didn’t knew any method to do it anyways). I am now 40 and it has been my main discovery since last year and especially in these last two months.

Mmh, all you get from therapy is a justification for any particular persistent feeling or problem. You can blame your upbringing, your peers, your teachers, your parents, society, capitalism or whatever else, it is merely justifying to have that problem or holding onto that problem. In therapy feeling beings treat other feeling beings with sympathy and compassion to make them fit better into the human condition. I am not saying to stop therapy, that is for you to decide. What I am saying is that it needs a lot more – to have the courage to acknowledge that one is addicted to being ‘me’ and commit oneself whole-heartedly to the task of becoming free from that addiction.

That’s why Richard says in This Moment of Being Alive

[Richard]: If ‘I’ am not feeling good then ‘I’ have something to look at to find out why. What has happened, between the last time ‘I’ felt good and now? When did ‘I’ feel good last? Five minutes ago? Five hours ago? What happened to end those felicitous feelings? Ahh … yes: ‘He said that and I …’. Or: ‘She didn’t do this and I …’. Or: ‘What I wanted was …’. Or: ‘I didn’t do …’. And so on and so on … one does not have to trace back into one’s childhood … usually no more than yesterday afternoon at the most

And this is because the actualism method is about one thing and one thing only –

[Richard]: … the actualism method is all about consciously and knowingly imitating life in the actual world. Also, by virtue of proceeding in this manner the means to the end – an ongoing enjoyment and appreciation – are no different to the end itself.

I admit, it does take courage to change oneself, to willingly diminish the influence and control ‘I’ have on my life – to stop feeling sad, or proud, or humble or malicious when those feelings happen. But unless ‘I’ “consciously and knowingly” set out to “imitating life in the actual world” everything ‘I’ do is just patchwork, to feel a little better than before but fundamentally stay as I am. Unless I have a “commitment to become free” and agree “to be discovered and to be dismantled” I might as well forget the whole business.

I keep being reminded of what Geoffrey wrote, cutting through the whole charade of ‘my’ precious feelings and ‘my’ precious identity –

[Geoffrey]: For a split second I saw like a veil in front of me. I saw how I could be on the other side of the ‘mirror’, on the safe side, the magical side, how I could… But there was a last second resistance: My precious! I will not give away my precious!

Later on the way back, I was thinking about this ‘precious’ thing, how only here on this tiny planet right now there are 7 billion people just as ‘unique’ and ‘precious’ as my self, when it clicked… and I burst into laughter. This was simply hilarious. Everybody is so precious. I must then be SO precious hahaha.

Every little ‘me’ waging wars against other little ‘me’ because they are so precious. Whereas they are just the same product of evolution and animal passions, with the same hiding place, the same hunger, the same dirtiness. You can’t be serious!

I saw without a shadow of a doubt that ‘I’ am the cause of every evil, corruption, dirt… just because ‘I’ am ‘so precious’. How ‘I’ mess everything up for myself and everybody just because ‘I’ am. And not some dissociated ‘I’ with enough quotes not to be me, but me right now thinking this. [emphasis added]. (Becoming Free Reports, Geoffrey).

Cheers Vineeto

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Thanks @Felix ! I didn’t know that answer from Richard, it’s wonderful, it sheds a lot of light.

This makes a lot of sense. In my case I can recognize that I have given anxiety a meaning: “it happens because my job is demanding”. So then, if there is anxiety it is because I am working. Anxiety justifies my (professional) existence. And on the contrary: if there is no anxiety it must be because I am doing something wrong, or failing to do something.

I will continue to look at this more closely and undermine this pernicious belief.

On the other hand, thanks to @Vineeto 's feedback, I can see that it could also be that anxiety arises when I fear not being recognized, or being wrong, or that I have to prove something. Then there is a link between anxiety and the need for recognition and the subsequent resentment for not obtaining it (it is never enough, there lies perversity). And that it is of no use to blame anyone, or to look for lost causes in the immemorial past.

I definitely need to look more honestly at the problem to deactivate it once and for all.

Amen.

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So there are no half measures in actualism, the wide and wondrous path is one that leads to ‘my’ demise. If ‘I’ want to use actualism to feed back into ‘my’ identity then ‘I’ never step on the wide and wondrous path to begin with.

I have noticed that most of the times when I have essentially done nothing with regards to progress was exactly this, that ‘I’ wanted to keep ‘myself’ and ‘my’ life exactly as it was and then use actualism to super charge the whole thing. This creates a nice circular process that succeeds in keeping ‘me’ exactly as ‘I’ am.

So it is not that there is a barrier to entry as such, the barrier is ‘me’, whether ‘I’ am ready for something fundamentally different, extreme by any ‘normal’ measures. Even stepping on the path to begin with ‘my’ whole world is being undermined. Richard saw this in that first PCE, that the totality of who ‘he’ was would have to go in order to live that experience 24/7. There is no way around this, perhaps why the numbers of sincere actualists are so low. I do remember this from the first few months of applying the method, I remember writing that it was as if ‘I’ was stuck in this deep dark cave that ‘I’ have made ‘my’ home and actuality was being glanced, however contemplating stepping out of that cave and into the bright light of actuality was something so audacious. Even though release was in that direction ‘I’ was screaming with all of ‘my’ being not to step out.

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Vineeto: And this is because the actualism method is about one thing and one thing only –

[Richard]: … the actualism method is all about consciously and knowingly imitating life in the actual world. Also, by virtue of proceeding in this manner the means to the end – an ongoing enjoyment and appreciation – are no different to the end itself.

Kuba: So there are no half measures in actualism, the wide and wondrous path is one that leads to ‘my’ demise. If ‘I’ want to use actualism to feed back into ‘my’ identity then ‘I’ never step on the wide and wondrous path to begin with.

Hi Kuba,

Well, there is one “half-measure” – on can aim for a virtual freedom, a condition which is well beyond human expectations and far better than any of the 7 billion humans on the planet experience themselves at present.

It still requires a fundamental change and sincere application to shed a large part of one’s old identity but is nevertheless easier to achieve and perhaps less scary than aiming for an actual freedom from the start. Here is what Richard said in praise of Virtual Freedom –

[Richard]: To summarize: The purpose of applying the actualism method, which the identity inhabiting this flesh and blood body all those years ago both devised and put into full effect, is two-fold – to be of an immediate benefit (an ongoing affective felicity/ innocuity) and an ultimate benefaction (an enduring actual felicity/ innocuity) – and is thus a win-win situation inasmuch as in the meanwhile, if the ultimate be yet to come about, a virtual freedom is way, way beyond normal human expectations.
I cannot stress enough how, with a virtual freedom being more or less the norm worldwide, global amity and equity would be an on-going state of affairs.
As such they have both [Peter and Vineeto] done a sterling service for their fellow human beings – having written prolifically about it all whilst they were doing it (rather than after the fact from memory) – in ensuring an in-control virtual freedom is now possible for any normal person/ normal couple simply by applying the actualism method – as distinct from the actualism process – in their everyday life (both at work and at leisure).
In other words, they have both shown and documented the way how a virtual freedom which does not require being out-from-control – let alone something peculiar happening in the nape of the neck – can spread exponentially around the globe without disrupting civilisation (as a bloody revolution would, for example, in a futile attempt to change society).

‘The only way societies will radically alter is by radical change on an individual level as it is individuals collectively who make society what it is.
And this is where actualism is pivotal as it must be borne in mind that the way children are raised is in accord with the prevailing wisdom of the time (currently in the form of values/ principles and morals/ ethics per favour the trickle-down effect of spiritual enlightenment/ mystical awakenment).
Thus it is the flow-on effect of the words and writings of an actual freedom from the human condition – as in practically anyone now being able to be as happy and as harmless (virtually free of both malice and sorrow and their antidotal pacifiers love and compassion) as is humanly possible – which is the most probable and realistic prospect, in the foreseeable future, for all of humankind … and which is why I stress the importance of a virtual freedom. [emphasis added] (Library, Topics, Virtual Freedom, +Tooltip)

Of course, some intrepid pioneers are not satisfied with second best :blush: and aim for the ultimate prize.

Kuba: I have noticed that most of the times when I have essentially done nothing with regards to progress was exactly this, that ‘I’ wanted to keep ‘myself’ and ‘my’ life exactly as it was and then use actualism to super charge the whole thing. This creates a nice circular process that succeeds in keeping ‘me’ exactly as ‘I’ am.

Kuba: So it is not that there is a barrier to entry as such, the barrier is ‘me’, whether ‘I’ am ready for something fundamentally different, extreme by any ‘normal’ measures. Even stepping on the path to begin with ‘my’ whole world is being undermined. Richard saw this in that first PCE, that the totality of who ‘he’ was would have to go in order to live that experience 24/7. There is no way around this, perhaps why the numbers of sincere actualists are so low. I do remember this from the first few months of applying the method, I remember writing that it was as if ‘I’ was stuck in this deep dark cave that ‘I’ have made ‘my’ home and actuality was being glanced, however contemplating stepping out of that cave and into the bright light of actuality was something so audacious. Even though release was in that direction ‘I’ was screaming with all of ‘my’ being not to step out. (link)

That is a good description why for some, if not most, it is difficult at the start to use the actualism method successfully before they have understood and agreed to that is it about “undermining” my ‘self’. Unless this is understood ‘I’ will invent a hundred cunning ways to sabotage any progress and some of you had to learn this the hard way.

Whereas once the commitment is made that I will change myself radically and fundamentally, suddenly the actualism method works like a charm and is fun to boot. Having some PCEs to experience what is possible can work a treat.

Cheers Vineeto

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For an actualist the importance of intent is obvious – if you are practicing a method specifically designed to facilitate your becoming less harmful and more happy, and you have no intent to become less harmful and more happy, then any attempt to be attentive as to how you are experiencing this moment of being alive will be an aimless practice, a meaningless practice, an ineffective practice and a fruitless practice, or to use your words – ‘just a mental thing’. Peter – SC Sincere Intent, Pure Intent

Today I woke up feeling stuck in my process. When observing my feelings during the early hours of the morning, I discovered aggression. Anger. Nothing really strong, a state of subtle discomfort. Some bitterness. For some reason, this old pattern of resentment in general was reactivated. What I can detect is that it has to do with the fact that I feel threatened in my new work environment. Defense mechanisms were activated. That ancestral animal that I was able to recognize, integrate and eventualy send to rest during the July PCE. At that time, that instinct was active in relation to the fear of feeling rejected by my partner. Today is this other situation, of feeling under attack in the work environment. This quote that I put above reminds me that the only way to continue, and get out of stagnation, is to recover the pure intent, lower my arms and not seek to defend myself. Instead, from a sincere intent (to use the terms more precisely), try to look at the situation anew and act harmlessly.

The only thing I will gain by acting aggressively, or defensively, is more of a perception of being under attack. I want to change perspective and learn to live in harmony with my fellow human beings even in this environment. But I’m having a hard time seeing the silliness of the situation.

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JesusCarlos: Today I woke up feeling stuck in my process. When observing my feelings during the early hours of the morning, I discovered aggression. Anger. Nothing really strong, a state of subtle discomfort. Some bitterness. For some reason, this old pattern of resentment in general was reactivated. What I can detect is that it has to do with the fact that I feel threatened in my new work environment. Defence mechanisms were activated. That ancestral animal that I was able to recognize, integrate and eventually send to rest during the July PCE. At that time, that instinct was active in relation to the fear of feeling rejected by my partner. Today is this other situation, of feeling under attack in the work environment. This quote that I put above reminds me that the only way to continue, and get out of stagnation, is to recover the pure intent, lower my arms and not seek to defend myself. Instead, from a sincere intent (to use the terms more precisely), try to look at the situation anew and act harmlessly.

The only thing I will gain by acting aggressively, or defensively, is more of a perception of being under attack. I want to change perspective and learn to live in harmony with my fellow human beings even in this environment. But I’m having a hard time seeing the silliness of the situation.

Hi JesusCarlos,

Can it be that the problems you listed are related to your resentment you talked about a month ago – not getting recognition?

JesusCarlos: I recognize that what I want is recognition. I long for recognition. (link)

Here is part of my reply to you –

Vineeto: Longing “for recognition” is not something superficial, it is an inbuilt feature of the human condition. You not only “long for recognition”, ‘you’ need it for ‘your’ very existence. ‘You’, the identity’, being a contingent ‘being’, cannot exist on ‘your’ own – ‘you’ require constant confirmation to justify and confirm ‘your’ existence, else ‘your’ non-substantial nature will become apparent. (link)

Naturally you experience “the fear of feeling rejected by my partner” and “feeling under attack in the work environment”. In this modus operandi you are competing with every other feeling being for the highest amount of recognition you can get, just as they are doing, and you are naturally in battle with every person you are in contact with. A lose-lose situation.

The alternative is to get back to feeling good and recognize that you can be a friend to yourself and treat others as fellow human beings rather than competitors in a futile battle for recognition of a fake ‘identity’.

With the help of remembering your “July PCE” maybe this conversation of Richard’s can give you a hint how to proceed –

RICHARD: When one has an insight into an aspect of the Human Condition, there is action … and this action is the actualising of the experience so that one’s personality is changed, irrevocably. Otherwise, I agree, the experience, the insight, becomes knowledge … and knowledge is dead. Dead, that is, until it is activated and lived in one’s daily life. Sagacity lies in the living of a realisation … (Richard, List B, No. 20, 14 Feb 1998)

RESPONDENT: Can an insight, one moment of insight, have an effect here? Does this not call for something that is from moment to moment, ongoing.
RICHARD: Yes, indeed it can. One fundamental moment of insight can alter the entire course of one’s life wherein becoming free of the Human Condition is no longer a matter of choice – it is an irresistible pull. And, yes, then there is something that is from moment to moment, ongoing. I choose to call this something: ‘Pure Intent’. Pure intent is a palpable life-force; an actually occurring stream of benevolence and benignity that originates in the perfect and vast stillness that is the essential character of the infinitude of this physical universe. One can bring about a benediction from that perfection and purity, which is the essential character of the universe, by contacting and cultivating one’s original state of naiveté. Naiveté is that intimate aspect of oneself that is the nearest approximation that one can have of actual innocence – there is no innocence so long as there is a self – and constant awareness of naive intimacy results in a continuing benediction. This blessing allows a connection to be made between oneself and the perfection and purity. [Emphasis added]. (Richard, List B, No. 20, 17 Feb 1998)

The key to unlock naiveté is sincerity, “which is that intimate aspect of oneself that is usually kept hidden away for fear of seeming foolish (a simpleton) … it is like being a child again but with adult sensibilities (wherein one can separate out the distinction between being naïve and being gullible/ trusting).” (Richard, AF list, No. 79, 7 June 2006).

With naiveté operating in your life you can like yourself and like others … and it is a wonderful way of experiencing each moment, far more enjoyable and inducive in providing fun, appreciation and dignity in your life than any battle for recognition can ever deliver.

Cheers Vineeto

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Indeed! Is the same.

That´s totally true, I’m not sure that with “every person” but the ones I perceive as a threat in these two fields.

I can see now that I lost being a friend with myself. So I ask from others what I can’t give to myself. And I think this have a link with stress. Ultimately, stress is triggered because I have stopped having the best possible relationship with myself. I perceive a “threat” in an emotional way, fear or anxiety about something is triggered. When those emotions persist, stress is triggered. Those emotions persist because I forget to return to that friendship with myself, which consists of a form of emotional attention (affective attentiveness) that immediately inclines me towards feeling good (I already know that feeling good is a choice, as I have been able to confirm a few months ago). This is HAIETMOBA in action (just recognizing the problem, after an insight, is not enough, it becomes knowledge and not transformation of myself).

This hits the nail on the head. This is my main problem. I have this fear of being seen like this. The entire political culture around me warns the opposite: you have to be clever, outsmart the other guy who wants to use you, beat you, win, etc. The morality of this world dictates “he who hits first hits twice.” The Christian antidote of turning the other cheek is well known. And it doesn’t work, because you just end up trampled, humiliated and ultimately sacrificed, all for upholding the value of humility. Separating the distinction between being naive and being gullible/trusting seems to be what I must discover as a third alternative. Allow the intelligence of this body to operate for the greatest benefit of itself and everyone else, without a false identity to uphold.

I have to access again to that naiveté to be able to confirm this wonder. I will be remembering the PCE for that. Thank you very much for your assistance @Vineeto .

p.d. I remember a wonderful moment in particular during that PCE. My gaze was fixed on the horizon, far away, and beyond the horizon, towards what was no longer visible. A thought associated with infinity arose: what I really am has the capacity to see very far, further than what is considered normal. This is its true capacity. To be able to see beyond the present, towards the enormous and infinite of this vast universe. And with that gaze, to look again at the immediate: there was perfection.

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Vineeto: Can it be that the problems you listed are related to your resentment you talked about a month ago – not getting recognition?

JesusCarlos: Indeed! Is the same.

Vineeto: Naturally you experience “the fear of feeling rejected by my partner” and “feeling under attack in the work environment”. In this modus operandi you are competing with every other feeling being for the highest amount of recognition you can get, just as they are doing, and you are naturally in battle with every person you are in contact with. A lose-lose situation.

JesusCarlos: That´s totally true, I’m not sure that with “every person” but the ones I perceive as a threat in these two fields.

Hi JesusCarlos,

Thank you for confirming that. Of course I didn’t mean the butcher, the baker and the check-out girl, but every person who you have some kind of investment in.

Vineeto: The alternative is to get back to feeling good and recognize that you can be a friend to yourself and treat others as fellow human beings rather than competitors in a futile battle for recognition of a fake ‘identity’.

JesusCarlos: I can see now that I lost being a friend with myself. So I ask from others what I can’t give to myself. And I think this have a link with stress. Ultimately, stress is triggered because I have stopped having the best possible relationship with myself. I perceive a “threat” in an emotional way, fear or anxiety about something is triggered. When those emotions persist, stress is triggered. Those emotions persist because I forget to return to that friendship with myself, which consists of a form of emotional attention (affective attentiveness) that immediately inclines me towards feeling good (I already know that feeling good is a choice, as I have been able to confirm a few months ago). This is HAIETMOBA in action (just recognizing the problem, after an insight, is not enough, it becomes knowledge and not transformation of myself).

Yes, when one is a warrior in the imaginary jungle of fighting for social rewards, those who are gentle and friendly (to themselves and others) have no ranking. This is a good insight – “just recognizing the problem, after an insight, is not enough, it becomes knowledge and not transformation of myself”. Nothing is lost … here is another moment where you can put your insight into action.

Btw, you don’t have to have a “relationship” with yourself. You don’t have to split yourself into two in order to be kind in the way you treat yourself.

Vineeto: The key to unlock naiveté is sincerity, “which is that intimate aspect of oneself that is usually kept hidden away for fear of seeming foolish (a simpleton) … it is like being a child again but with adult sensibilities (wherein one can separate out the distinction between being naïve and being gullible/ trusting).” (Richard, AF list, No. 79, 7 June 2006).

JesusCarlos: This hits the nail on the head. This is my main problem. I have this fear of being seen like this. The entire political culture around me warns the opposite: you have to be clever, outsmart the other guy who wants to use you, beat you, win, etc. The morality of this world dictates “he who hits first hits twice.” The Christian antidote of turning the other cheek is well known. And it doesn’t work, because you just end up trampled, humiliated and ultimately sacrificed, all for upholding the value of humility. Separating the distinction between being naive and being gullible/ trusting seems to be what I must discover as a third alternative. Allow the intelligence of this body to operate for the greatest benefit of itself and everyone else, without a false identity to uphold.

I think Claudiu’s recent description is particularly fitting –

Claudiu: The other wondrous recent insight was in seeing how I am actually not ‘special’ in that I am essentially the same as any other feeling-being out there. In terms of what I am at my core. In other words I don’t have to maintain or hold onto or try to prop up any aspect of myself that would set me apart or above anyone else – because I am the same at core! This is something I can’t change – I can only self-immolate to remedy this situation.

This was seen as an immense relief of a huge burden that I no longer have to maintain myself in all these various small ways. In other words I am free to do anything, and anyone is free to say or think or do whatever in response, and none of it matters in terms of me having to prop myself up or defend myself or do anything. Cause I already know I’m not special, there is nothing I can actually defend to change this fact! (link)

Vineeto: With naiveté operating in your life you can like yourself and like others … and it is a wonderful way of experiencing each moment, far more enjoyable and inducive in providing fun, appreciation and dignity in your life than any battle for recognition can ever deliver.

JesusCarlos: I have to access again to that naiveté to be able to confirm this wonder. I will be remembering the PCE for that. Thank you very much for your assistance Vineeto.

You are very welcome JesusCarlos, it only takes a little courage, coupled with the firm knowledge of the fact that the other way does not work.

JesusCarlos: p.d. I remember a wonderful moment in particular during that PCE. My gaze was fixed on the horizon, far away, and beyond the horizon, towards what was no longer visible. A thought associated with infinity arose: what I really am has the capacity to see very far, further than what is considered normal. This is its true capacity. To be able to see beyond the present, towards the enormous and infinite of this vast universe. And with that gaze, to look again at the immediate: there was perfection. (link)

Thank you for the description, it is wondrous, mirificent. It makes all the persistence and diligence worth-while. This “true capacity” is apperception.

Cheers Vineeto

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A reminder!