Sonya’s journal

So I’ve been lurking, reading some stuff on the forum and replying a little but mostly I find my self stuck in this “fiestyness” which seems to have replaced the sadness to some extent. For example in the past if Kuba were to be firm or “mean” to me my default would be to cry or be sad. Now, I’ve noticed I tend to bite back first and then cry when I feel overwhelmed by the anger :joy::joy:

I’m finding it hard to shift because the anger almost feels productive? Like I’m standing up for myself. It feels like a more protective stance than being sad so I’m struggling see it as silly.

It almost feels like I’m transitioning from a sad little girl to an angry woman which I’d rather not be either :joy::joy: Not to say I’m consistently verbally berating Kuba and enjoying it, but I’m finding my default feeling that comes up when it feels I’m under “attack” is anger.

Not sure if this is this female rage I keep seeing all over tiktok manifesting it’s self…

Poor Kuba 🫶🏼

Ah yes, the age-old dilemma: you can either be sad or be mad, with no in-between.

The key is to see the silliness of both, and then the 3rd alternative – being felicitous – is possible!

I would suggest in any situation where you feel the anger is productive, just consider what it is you actually wanted, whether it was sensible (which it may very well have been), and if it was sensible, would there not have been a different way to handle it, a felicitous way, where you still are firm, stand up for yourself, etc., but without getting angry about it?

Reading how Richard handled the various abuses hurled his way over his years of writing, might help – I can’t imagine anybody would call him a pushover for how he corresponded, yet he was able to do it all without a speck of anger or malice! Why not you, too?

Cheers,
Claudiu

1 Like

Yes and my suspicion is that emotion fills the gap that exists because there is no factual grounding for the drama one finds oneself in, at core it is all about feeling.

So a trigger takes place and ‘I’ find myself getting emotional, ‘I’ feel hurt and so ‘I’ feel my emotions (whichever they are) are warranted/justified/righteous etc.

BUT this is where it gets fun, for ‘my’ righteousness in this situation depends entirely on a feeling, let’s say anger in this case. So of course ‘I’ want to hang onto that anger, for if the anger drops there is nothing else to support the drama. It was never grounded in fact so ‘I’ have nothing else to point to, the whole thing will unravel and leave nothing but empty air.

Just like what I wrote here - The "Rift" - #4 by Kub933 :

Which brings me to the next bit - frustration. This whole thing of “come on man, stop being so pedantic” is no less than saying “come on man, simply believe me!”, the frustration is because I want to believe and to be believed and yet I know deep down that if I was to be meticulous then it would become clear that there is actually no substance there, that it is just belief.

The frustration I was experiencing was a cover up for the fact that no substance lay underneath. To let go of the frustration would be admitting to this.

The above isn’t to say that when a situation happens there isn’t some practical considerations blended into the mix, but at core it all happens along the lines of what I have described below, in short it is all about the emotion, about what one felt to be the case - Kub933's Journal - #1004 by Kub933 :

This is where it gets completely ridiculous though, it’s something I have been observing for a while now. Because at this point the structure becomes the absolute, it is the primary concern. When a friend is late to meet me and ‘my’ plans come crashing down, I do not give a shit about the actual events.
The emotions that I am experiencing are entirely because ‘my structure’ is under attack. Somewhere in there ‘I’ confuse the integrity of the structure for actual safety/danger.

1 Like

This reminds me of when I would get moody as a child and my dad would do whatever to make me laugh, I resisted this so hard for I knew that if he managed to get a smile out of me, that this righteous drama would no longer exist. Without the emotion I would no longer have a reason, as there was never any actual reason.

2 Likes

And this if anything is testament to the high standards that you end up picking up as an actualist. If only the worst it got (as an overall state of affairs) was a bit of fiestyness every now and then, that’s already above ‘normal’ expectations.

You’re right that anger is a more active emotion than sadness, with sadness you’re just stuck hiding where anger ‘gets things done,’ the problem is then you end up an angry woman as you say, and are causing quite the ruckus in the process! So not a good place to end up.

One option is to redirect that anger towards something more productive, for example being annoyed that we humans haven’t yet completed the mission of being as peaceful as you know we’re capable of (including @Kub933 !) and taking that energy into determination to do something about it. The energy is coming from the same place, but rather than wasting it lashing out at someone else, something might actually be accomplished.

Vineeto uses this approach at one stage to free herself from her past ties to spiritual groups she had been a part of, and I have used it to let go of groups that I had felt beholden to as well. You aren’t a helpless child, but you also don’t have to be a mean adult - you can be a peaceful, confident, and independent person.

2 Likes

Yeah, maybe when expressing anger or even being assertive as a woman is frowned upon in the environment you grow up in, you learn to suppress it, and it turns to sadness, and you find that sadness and vulnerability are more socially acceptable (even ‘desirable’) reactions. Then when you start to examine yourself, you get closer to the bone and find the anger that was suppressed. It makes sense.

I’m finding it hard to shift because the anger almost feels productive? Like I’m standing up for myself. It feels like a more protective stance than being sad so I’m struggling see it as silly.

It almost feels like I’m transitioning from a sad little girl to an angry woman which I’d rather not be either :joy::joy:

There you go, you already have a reason to see it as silly :smiley: , and it’s not some fancy idea you’ve imported, it’s your own preference. Cool.

In my experience, it’s a good idea to keep sight of that and hold that above any elaborate reasons you might come up with for feeling angry or not feeling angry.

3 Likes

So the snapping at Kuba and the general feeling of irritation has mostly disappeared :slight_smile: I noticed this when my period came as a complete surprise. Usually the couple days before my period I get irritated easily and I tend to snap when Kuba “playfully?” :face_with_raised_eyebrow: interacts with me.

It’s such a cliche, getting moody right before your period starts :rofl: But this time when it came without any prior “meanness” from me, it was a welcome surprise! I genuinely thought to myself “oh but I didn’t snap!” This also carried on throughout the week of my period which I usually will be relatively moody. So yeah, pretty cool!

I think I got to this stage by simply choosing not to be irritated or angry. It’s strange to me how simple it was. I just chose not to bite back. Recently when Kuba and I were having quite an emotional convo (for me at least) I did snap, and I noticed beforehand I made the choice to be mean and angry. It was a split second choice but I definitely noticed it. I wanted to be mean and snap so he felt hurt like I felt hurt in the moment. I know what to look for now and I know I can make the choice not to be that way.

Pretty cool :blush:

4 Likes

Yea! I noticed this at one point for myself too. It’s a choice, taken immediately before!

I found I could just choose not to instead. The result is much better! Any feeling of self-betrayal (as in not doing what ‘I’ felt I wanted to do) quickly vanishes upon seeing how much better choosing not to is.

1 Like

Always been a bit quiet on here but I’ve been lurking :eyes::smiling_face:

I had a convo with @Kub933 today after an eye opening experience so after some encouragement from him I’ve decided to note it down on here.

So I’ve been on holiday in Zante on a little girls holiday :hugs: it’s been absolutely lovely! But I started to notice a little feeling of separation between myself and the men that I found myself interacting with. There was a wariness or wall I put up automatically. It was a recurring thing that happened whenever we went out for dinner or just walking on the side of the road and it brought up a feeling of separation that I picked up on.

So, last night whilst getting ready to go clubbing I decided whole heartedly to get rid of this wall and see what would happen. I ended up having the most amazing time out. The multiple instances that occurred when someone would approach me I entered the interaction without the wall up and I found that there was no reason for the wall at all. I was able to decline advances, joke with them and both parties left the interaction without any tension. It was like everything I ever wanted :joy:

I ended up seeing the men more as actual people. I was also able to frank with my friend who turned her nose up at a guy who came and spoke to us . I could see the selectiveness in women when deciding which man was “worth” her time talking to and if she didn’t see him as attractive enough he was met with rudeness and shut down immediately. I saw how interactions like that are what usually leads the conflict between men and women in club settings. I decided to step off my “high horse” as a woman and actually speak to the guy one on one, human being to human being and we had a lovely conversation. There was no tension whatsoever and we both ended up leaving the interaction on a pleasant note.

I can start to see the game women are playing in how they interact with men. I can see this “wall” that I put up was separating me from actual interactions because I was still playing the game, I was still trying to decide which man was worthy of my time. And without this wall or taking a peek behind all the games I’ve begun interacting with them in a way I don’t think I’ve ever done before and how refreshing that is! :hugs:

3 Likes

Didn’t realise how long it has been since I last wrote on here. Lately, I’ve been kinda stuck I guess. These are the things I’ve been really struggling with:

  1. Feeling like there’s something intrinsicly ‘wrong’ with me.
  2. Being scared of failing.

Both of these things means that I am a person that struggles to do things on my own. I never really think that I can do anything on my own. I usually rely on someone else encouraging me or holding my hand through it. For example, I’ve always wanted to start going to heels dance classes. But I couldn’t go on my own, I had to go with a friend. Or learning how to drive a manual car, I needed encouragement from Kuba. I struggle with the initial leap into doing something ‘scary’. It’s funny cause once im actually doing ‘it’, it’s never as scary. Now I go to classes on my own (even new ones, I also made new friends!) and I passed my driving test the first time as well as driving to London on my own multiple times. I know logically I have the capacity to do things, I guess I just always seem to want to make sure it’s ‘safe’ to do so first.

So, regarding putting in the work in being happy and harmless. I’m really struggling lately to take it a step further. So here is my little tiny step im doing on my own so I can go further into this adventure into living what I really want deep down.

3 Likes

Hi Sonya,

Welcome back to the forum.

If your self-respect allows, I would like to make one or two comments on what you wrote. I appears you are making good progress regarding your problem No. 2 and meet your fear of failing head-on – and you are succeeding. It’s really the only way to deal with such fear – look at it without blinking, so to speak, and you notice that its intensity will diminish right away, and then you can proceed to do what you want to do.

No. 1 is more complex. First of all, you will perhaps be relieved to learn that every single feeling being deep down feels that there is something wrong with ‘being’ here, with being ‘me’. The reason is that ‘I’ as a feeling being am an impostor, a fraud, an alien entity, having taken charge over your flesh-and-blood body. This feeling of something being wrong with ‘you’ will not disappear except in a PCE or when actually free.

What you can do is to diminish the strength and influence of ‘me’ in your daily life by enjoying and appreciating being here and thus reduce the identity-enhancing ‘good’ and ‘bad’ feelings and increase the identity-diminishing happy and harmless feelings.

I don’t know how much you read of Richard’s writing, or how much you are interested to read – I can post some quotes here and you let me know if that is explanatory and beneficial for you.

Richard: ‘Being a ‘self’ is because the only way into this world of people, things and events is via the human spermatozoa fertilising the human ova … thus every human being is endowed, by blind nature, with the basic instinctual passions of fear and aggression and nurture and desire. Thus ‘I’ am the end-point of myriads of survivors passing on their genes. ‘I’ am the product of the ‘success story’ of blind nature’s fear and aggression and nurture and desire. Being born of the biologically inherited instincts genetically encoded in the germ cells of the spermatozoa and the ova, ‘I’ am – genetically – umpteen tens of thousands of years old … ‘my’ origins are lost in the mists of pre-history. ‘I’ am so anciently old that ‘I’ may well have always existed … carried along on the reproductive cell-line, over countless millennia, from generation to generation. And ‘I’ am thus passed on into an inconceivably open-ended and hereditably transmissible future.
In other words: ‘I’ am fear and fear is ‘me’ and ‘I’ am aggression and aggression is ‘me’ and ‘I’ am nurture and nurture is ‘me’ and ‘I’ am desire and desire is ‘me’.
The instinctual passions are the very energy source of the rudimentary animal self (…)’. [emphases added]. (Richard, Homepage).

Richard: Yes, the sense of identity (‘I’ and ‘me’ or ‘self’ and ‘Self’ or ‘ego’ and ‘soul’ or ‘aham’ and ‘atman’ and so on) is the spanner in the works. I fail to see how anybody could even contemplate ridding this body of its alien entity without a clear and distinct knowledge of the ultimate goal. This is why I stress the importance of remembering one of your PCE’s (that all people have had at least once in their lives) and avoiding the cultural interpretations of the experience based upon the narcissistic tendency for the instinctual survival of ‘self’ in some (metaphysical) shape or form. Hence my exposé of the altered state of consciousness known as enlightenment. (Richard, AF List, No. 4, 26 Jan 1999).

Richard: I was born in Australia, of an English/ Scottish Hong Kong-born father and an English/English Australia-born mother. With this British background, I was enculturated into believing that I was, literally, an Australian citizen … but with British blood. Now, blood is blood … there is no such ‘thing’ as an ‘Australian’, an ‘American’, a ‘German’, a ‘Japanese’ and so on. Thus the wars and the suicides – the blood shed and the tears shed – are precipitated because of the absurdity of identification … is not all this acculturation ridiculous! However, as an infant, a child, a youth and then a man, I was so programmed as to be unable to discriminate fact from fiction. I had no terms of reference that I could use as a standard to determine which was which, as every single human being on this planet was not simply a flesh and blood body … but similarly conditioned into being an ‘ethnic’ human being.
Thus I bought the whole package. Hook, line and sinker.
As I slowly started to unravel the mess that humankind was deeply mired in by unravelling it in me, I discovered a second layer under ‘my’ acculturated ethnicity … ‘I’ was brainwashed into being a ‘man’ and not simply a flesh and blood male body. Under the enculturated layers lies a further identity … the genetically-inherited animal ‘self’. It took me years and years of exploration and discovery to find out that ‘I’ was a ‘me’ – a ‘being’ – and not simply a flesh and blood body. By identification as ‘me’, a psychological/ psychic entity was able to ‘possess’ this body. It is not unlike those Christians who are said to be possessed by an evil entity and require exorcism. Only this ‘possession’ was called being normal. Therefore, every human being is thus possessed by an ‘alien entity’ … I discovered that a ‘walk-in’ was in control of this body and that this ‘walk-in’ was ‘me’.
So, superficially there is a composite conditioned social identity that encompasses:

  1. A vocational identity as ‘employee’/‘employer’, ‘worker’/‘pensioner’, ‘junior/‘senior’ and so on.
  2. A national identity as ‘English’, ‘American’, ‘Australian’ and etcetera.
  3. A racial identity as ‘white’, ‘black’, ‘brown’ or whatever.
  4. A religious/spiritual identity as a ‘Hindu’, a ‘Muslim’, a ‘Christian’, a ‘Buddhist’ ad infinitum.
  5. A ideological identity as a ‘Capitalist’, a ‘Communist’, a ‘Monarchist’, a ‘Fascist’ and etcetera.
  6. A political identity as a ‘Democrat’, a ‘Tory’, a ‘Republican’, a ‘Liberal’ and all the rest.
  7. A family identity as ‘son’/‘daughter’, ‘brother’/‘sister’, ‘father’/‘mother’ and the whole raft of relatives.
  8. A gender identity as ‘boy’/‘girl’, ‘man’/‘woman’.

These are related to roles, rank, positions, station, status, class, age, gender … the whole organisation of hierarchical control. But behind all that – underlying all socialised classifications – is the persistent feeling of being an identity inhabiting the body: an affective ‘entity’ as in a deep, abiding and profound feeling of being an occupant, a tenant, a squatter or a phantom hiding behind a façade, a mask, a persona; as a subjective emotional psychological ‘self’ and/or a passionate psychic ‘being’ (‘I’ as ego and ‘me’ as soul) inhabiting the psyche; a deep feeling of being a ‘spirit’; a consciousness of the immanence of ‘presence’ (which exists immortally); an awareness of being an autological ‘being’ … the realisation of ‘Being’ itself. In other words: everything you think, feel and instinctually know yourself to be.
Your feeling of being – the real ‘me’ – is evidenced when one says: ‘But what about me, nobody loves me for me’. For a woman it may be: ‘You only want me for my body … and not for me’. For a man it may be: ‘You only want me for my money … and not for me’. For a child it may be: ‘You only want to be my friend because of my toys (or sweets or whatever)’. That deep feeling of ‘me’ – that ‘being’ itself – is at the core of identity. (Richard, AF List, No. 12a, 28 Jan 1999)

Cheers Vineeto

3 Likes

Hi Vineeto,

Thanks for the reply.

This is what Kuba said to me yesterday so it is relieving that someone else has also found that to be the case. I see that just knowing this doesn’t change anything for me but living my daily like enjoying and appreciating being here is the way forward.

I have read some parts of Richard’s journal a while ago and I did give up on it since I struggled to get a grasp on what he was saying and I also ended up falling asleep trying to comprehend the writings :see_no_evil:. I think I was content with where I was before so I didn’t have much motivation to read more of Richard’s writings. However, I find myself wanting to do better amd be better now so I am definitely interested in reading.

This confuses me. Is this saying that the instinctual passions such as the fear, aggression, nurture is what ‘I’ am as identity? Like the building blocks that creates what I am? Is that why I feel like there is something ‘wrong’ with me? Because I am always acting via the instinctual passions?

Unfortunately I cannot remember a PCE.

So from the qoutes you provided of Richard’s writings I understand it as the reason why I feel there is something fundamentally wrong with me is because who ‘I’ am as an identity isn’t actual, I exist as a mix of instinctual passions, roles, rank, etc. I like the use of the word ‘persona’. This is exactly how I feel. Like I am keeping up a persona.

2 Likes

Sonya: Hi Vineeto,
Thanks for the reply.

Hi Sonya,

You are very welcome.

Vineeto: First of all, you will perhaps be relieved to learn that every single feeling being deep down feels that there is something wrong with ‘being’ here, with being ‘me’.

Sonya: This is what Kuba said to me yesterday so it is relieving that someone else has also found that to be the case. I see that just knowing this doesn’t change anything for me but living my daily like enjoying and appreciating being here is the way forward.

Yes, this is definitely a good route to choose. The way this works is to comprehend that this moment is the only moment you can actually experience being alive – what happened yesterday or an hour ago is a memory, and what will happen tomorrow or an hour from now is based on planning and/or conjecture or both. Therefore, if you are not happy now you are wasting the only moment you can actually experience – the perfect incentive to change that. :blush:

You can read Richard’s article on This Moment of Being Alive (link) for detailed instructions and ask me if anything is not clear to you.

Sonya: I have read some parts of Richard’s journal a while ago and I did give up on it since I struggled to get a grasp on what he was saying and I also ended up falling asleep trying to comprehend the writings . I think I was content with where I was before so I didn’t have much motivation to read more of Richard’s writings. However, I find myself wanting to do better and be better now so I am definitely interested in reading.

I can understand that. Feeling being ‘Vineeto’ had to read Richard’s writing slowly and several times the same topic before she could grasp something of what was conveyed. When ‘she’ had a PCE the meaning of his writing became much clearer because she could comprehend a lot more experientially.

Richard: ‘I’ am fear and fear is ‘me’ and ‘I’ am aggression and aggression is ‘me’ and ‘I’ am nurture and nurture is ‘me’ and ‘I’ am desire and desire is ‘me’.

Sonya: This confuses me. Is this saying that the instinctual passions such as the fear, aggression, nurture is what ‘I’ am as identity? Like the building blocks that creates what I am? Is that why I feel like there is something ‘wrong’ with me? Because I am always acting via the instinctual passions?

Essentially yes. The identity, ‘you’, is comprised of several components – at the core are the instinctual survival passions which humans have in common with animals.

Richard: The term ‘Human Condition’ is a universally-accepted philosophical expression referring to the situation all human beings find themselves in when they emerge as babies on this verdant and azure planet which begat the human race and whereat humankind flourishes. This well-known phrase refers to the contrary and perverse nature of all peoples of all races and all cultures down through the ages. There is ‘good’ and ‘bad’ in everyone; all humans have a ‘dark side’ to their affective-psychic nature and a ‘light side’.

Then there is a second layer of the social identity, which encompasses all the ethics (right and wrong) and morals (good and bad), which humans have established and passed on in order to keep the wily instinctual passions in check to a certain degree. So you are being both the instinctual passions (emotions) and the societal feelings (the ethical and moral beliefs, principals, etc) … and are acting accordingly.

Richard: The battle betwixt ‘Good and Evil’ has raged since time immemorial and it requires constant vigilance lest sorrow, with its ever-attendant malice, gains the upper hand. An admixture of social mores and cultural folkways seek to control the wayward self which lurks deep within the human breast; and some semblance of peace – an ad hoc and uneasy truce – prevails for the main. Wherever virtuous morality and principled ethicality fails to curb this ‘savage beast’ some form of law and order is maintained – albeit, ultimately at the point of a gun – by state-sanctioned policing. (Richard, Abditorium, The Human Condition).

As such, ‘you’, the identity, are those instinctual passions – in other words, you don’t have those passions but they are the very substance ‘you’ are made of (except when you have a PCE where this very identity goes temporarily in abeyance including the instinctual passions and feelings). Those survival passions are like a whirlpool and the very movement of those feelings and passions is what keeps the identity in existence.

When you comprehend this deeply, you can choose to either be anger and sadness or be the happy and harmless feelings, the moment you notice any diminishment in feeling good.

Richard: This is why I stress the importance of remembering one of your PCE’s

Sonya: Unfortunately I cannot remember a PCE.

In a quiet moment you can search in your memory, not the emotional or intellectual memory but either an intuitive a sensate or a sensory memory, and see if you find an outstanding experience, where everything was all right, was just as it should be and was so magnificent and extraordinary, as if not from this world, so peaceful and gay, that you experienced it as always wanting to live this way. Most likely they happened in childhood – perhaps you can unearth a memory. They are not stored in the normal emotional memory hence a bit difficult to rediscover.

I do suspect you have a very vague memory of one or more PCEs because you said that you “feel there is something fundamentally wrong with me”, and in the next paragraph below you say that “I like the use of the word ‘persona’. This is exactly how I feel. Like I am keeping up a persona.” To feel there is something “wrong with me” there must be a benchmark to what would be right with you in comparison, something actual.

Richard: “is the persistent feeling of being an identity inhabiting the body: an affective ‘entity’ as in a deep, abiding and profound feeling of being an occupant, a tenant, a squatter or a phantom hiding behind a façade, a mask, a persona” …

Sonya: So from the quotes you provided of Richard’s writings I understand it as the reason why I feel there is something fundamentally wrong with me is because who ‘I’ am as an identity isn’t actual, I exist as a mix of instinctual passions, roles, rank, etc. I like the use of the word ‘persona’. This is exactly how I feel. Like I am keeping up a persona. (link)

This is an excellent observation, and whatever you are trying to do to make it ‘right’ on the emotional level or even the intellectual level will have no lasting effect.

As I said yesterday, what you can do with the help of the actualism method is to diminish the strength and influence of ‘me’, the persona, in your daily life by enjoying and appreciating being here and thus reduce the identity-enhancing ‘good’ and ‘bad’ feelings and increase the identity-diminishing felicitous feelings, i.e. enjoyment and appreciation.

By being honest with yourself and sincere in your endeavour you can re-awaken your dormant naiveté (being like a child but with adult sensibilities) and keep ‘thinning’ your identity to the point that it becomes more and more insubstantial.

Cheers Vineeto

4 Likes

Hi Vineeto,

Your explaination of the different layers of the identity is really helpful for me to understand. I’m quite a visual learner so the description of the different layers of instinctual passions and social identity made me immediately think of an ‘identity onion’ made of those different layers. :slight_smile:

That would be cool to remember! I think for now what i’ve been grasping to is small glimmers of peaceful#content moments I find myself experiencing that tend to make me pause for a moment to take it in. Usually when im eating something nice or cuddling with Kuba. Those are great for now.

I’m going to give it a go. Thanks for offering to clarify!

1 Like

Hi Sonya :grin:,

I suspect something like this also, because of the fact that when you first heard of actualism there was some kind of a “hook” there. For example when you first heard me say that I am not interested in pursuing love you did not run for the hills but rather considered that there might be a “better way of doing things”, when the ‘normal’ ways of relating were being progressively broken down you also remained interested. It seems to me that your native intelligence could always recognise that there is “something more to life” and that actualism is the way to locate it. In a way you have been doing it already but without a clear goal.

Without a firm and unwavering goal it has been difficult to get things going consistently, a memory of a PCE would provide this exactly. As Vineeto wrote there must be some frame of reference that you are using in order to recognise these things. Essentially why would you remain interested in such a “weird” endeavour (as seen from ‘reality’) if deep down you didn’t recognise that there is something more to life.

I wonder if perhaps there is a resistance to remembering a PCE because then ‘you’ would find ‘yourself’ already on the wide and wondrous path, “it would begin” as such, then you would be looking at no1 and no2 squarely in the face.

Establishing a connection to the perfection and purity of the PCE can be a scary thing for ‘me’, ultimately it is a fatal attraction. However as Richard wrote :

In ‘normal’ life one avoids acting in a way that invites scorn from the insensitive philistines, who would rather perpetuate misery than admit they were wrong in their judgement on life, but the time eventually comes when one can stay quiescent no longer. The urge wells up to penetrate into the “Mystery of Life”, to find that ultimate fulfilment, and to achieve peace-on-earth. Pure intent is the highway to this utter freedom, to one’s destiny … and it is a wide and wondrous path.

It seems to me that you are right at that point where - “one can stay quiescent no longer”. You just need to locate what it is exactly that you are aiming for (where you have been proceeding anyways).

1 Like

Hi bubs! :blush:

I had to google what quiescent meant but yes, that’s exactly how I feel. It just really hit me when doing our wedding stuff yesterday that what I want most in this world is to be happy and harmless with you 24 hours a day 7 days a week. That’s a really really big motivator for me. We are legally making a commitment to ‘join’ our lives together so why am I not making the commitment to live life with you in the most fun, exciting, wholesome, fulfilling way? I can really see now that that is what I want, more than anything. For now, without the memory of a PCE that desire is what i’m holding on to :slight_smile:

9 Likes

This is such a wonderful expression of naivete that I felt I had to come up with a new reaction emoji that can be used for cases such as this – I gave it a shot to come up with a blue flower to represent it, let’s see if it catches on :slight_smile:

:naivete:

image

Cheers,
Claudiu

3 Likes

Sonya: Hi Vineeto,
Your explanation of the different layers of the identity is really helpful for me to understand. I’m quite a visual learner so the description of the different layers of instinctual passions and social identity made me immediately think of an ‘identity onion’ made of those different layers.

Hi Sonya,

This is a good equivalent. I have other actualists seen describe their process as peeling the onion to get to the core. It’s all about becoming aware, each moment again, how you experience being alive. When there is a dip in feeling good, you can look at what caused it (the top layer of the onion) and then consciously recognize that’s it’s silly to let such an event interfere with feeling good.

Sometimes a ‘problem’ can be a sticky, so to speak, and that is generally because of a certain belief or principle or attitude you have adopted as ‘right’ or ‘just’ or ‘true’ – you can then discuss this with yourself, or with another actualist, if it really makes sense to keep this belief/ attitude/ principle and thus allow it to interfere with your intent of enjoying being here.

However, before you start ‘peeling’ away the societal/ cultural conditioning it is imperative that at minimum a sincere intent to be happy and harmless be dedicatorily in place because this social conditioning is otherwise essential to keep the instinctual passions in check (link). Kuba might be able to help whenever you are not sure.

Vineeto: I do suspect you have a very vague memory of one or more PCEs …

Sonya: That would be cool to remember! I think for now what I’ve been grasping to is small glimmers of peaceful/ content moments I find myself experiencing that tend to make me pause for a moment to take it in. Usually when I’m eating something nice or cuddling with Kuba. Those are great for now.

This link may be helpful (link) for getting closer to a PCE. Perhaps it’s a good idea, as Kuba suggested (link), to look for a resistance or hesitation regarding a PCE because the implications can seem too much. But you seem to be a woman of courage and determination, and you have already succeeded in overcoming some of your fears by facing them. As you said, “it’s funny cause once I’m actually doing ‘it’, it’s never as scary”. (link)

Vineeto: You can read Richard’s article on This Moment of Being Alive (link) for detailed instructions and ask me if anything is not clear to you.

Sonya: I’m going to give it a go. Thanks for offering to clarify! (link)

Here is an interesting correspondence you may relate to –

Respondent: I don’t understand the AF method instructions.
Richard: The actualism method is remarkably simple in practice:
• [Richard]: ‘It is really very, very simple (which is possibly why it has never been discovered before this): one felt good previously; one is not feeling good now; something happened to one to end that felicitous feeling; one finds out what happened; one sees how silly that is (no matter what it was); one is once more feeling good’. (Richard, AF List, No. 71, 9 July 2004b).
Respondent: I can’t remember a PCE either …
Richard: As your [quote] ‘either’ [endquote] links the lack of remembrance of a pure consciousness experience (PCE) with not understanding the essence of the way I have previously described the workings of the actualism method it is pertinent to point out that such is not initially necessary in order to feel as felicitous/ innocuous as is possible whilst one goes about one’s everyday life. [Emphasis added]. (Richard, List AF, No. 79, 21 June 2005)

Kuba: It seems to me that you are right at that point where – “one can stay quiescent no longer”. You just need to locate what it is exactly that you are aiming for (where you have been proceeding anyways).

Sonya to Kuba: I had to google what quiescent meant but yes, that’s exactly how I feel. It just really hit me when doing our wedding stuff yesterday that what I want most in this world is to be happy and harmless with you 24 hours a day 7 days a week. That’s a really really big motivator for me. We are legally making a commitment to ‘join’ our lives together so why am I not making the commitment to live life with you in the most fun, exciting, wholesome, fulfilling way? I can really see now that that is what I want, more than anything. For now, without the memory of a PCE that desire is what I’m holding on to. (link)

Ah, Sonya, this is wonderful to read. It so reminds me how, when feeling being ‘Vineeto’ met ‘Peter’ the first time, ‘he’ proposed to want to live together in peace and harmony and with honesty look at everything which got in the way of this aim. ‘Vineeto’ thought ‘she’ never heard a more attractive proposal and agreed. ‘We’ had great fun together, to put it mildly. Peter described it in his journal (link).

Besides, with a commitment to be “happy and harmless with you [Kuba] 24 hours a day 7 days a week” you cannot fail having a PCE sooner or later.

Cheers Vineeto

4 Likes

Hey, Sonya. I just wanted to show appreciation and say this was moving in a very particular way, to the point I teared a bit in public.

I think it is a very simple yet very powerful demonstration of naivete, but in the form of feminine sweetness we men so often yearn for.

Now we need a badge for post of the month as well, @claudiu :stuck_out_tongue:

3 Likes