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Whenever I picture altruism, I see an instant decision that has no particular time to build up.

If I saw that one of my sons was in immediate mortal danger, and it was obvious and available that my actions, no matter if I live or die, could save them, I would require “zero” time for any build up of passionate energy, before action. Action would be taking place the same as an “infant reflex “, (there are 6 infant reflexes, from memory, and none of the require any thought or feeling)

I think that is the point of altruism. It takes only an instant and the decision is made before any particular thought or feeling can be cognised or even understood.

Edit2> Wikipedia has 15 infant reflexes…so much for memory!

Kuba: There is something that I am not sure about… There are times when I am contemplating the above and being drawn towards it with the entirety of ‘my’ being. And then there is something like a very strong passionate response, not in a sorrowful or fearful way, it’s more that ‘I’ realise that this is what ‘I’ want, what ‘I’ have dedicated ‘my’ life to, what ‘I’ have been aiming for, for all these years – to enable that which I have seen, for everybody, to set things right etc. Let’s say it is a powerful passionate “call to action”.
The thing is I have experienced this before and it would usually rise to a crescendo and then afterwards the forward motion would stop. And so what I am not sure is if this passionate “call to action” could be a diversion? That ‘I’ had ‘my’ emotional experience, which it felt meaningful and yet ‘I’ am still here after-all. Or whether this powerful passionate energy is indeed what is needed for altruism to be activated.
It seems a diversion, it’s like a little melodrama to distract from doing that which makes sense, which is to allow for ‘me’ to disappear. That melodrama appears to be there to ‘shift some weight’ and yet it keeps ‘me’ in place. And anyways what weight is there to ‘me’ disappearing into oblivion? Certainly there is no weight shifted when ‘I’ go into abeyance in a PCE. It seems that ‘me’ disappearing for good must be equally light as a feather…
In fact this seems certain, that melodrama would have it that ‘I’ do it, that ‘I’ end ‘myself’, and so ‘I’ remain. For ‘me’ to allow ‘myself’ to disappear takes no ‘shifting weight’, it takes for ‘me’ to allow it to happen.(link)

Hi Kuba,

I don’t know – it is not something I remember from ‘Vineeto’s’ experience, which I wrote in my becoming-free report (link).

Is this “powerful passionate “call to action”” possibly the controller stepping in and staging a fake immolation to stay in existence? Can you tell if the way you experience its flavour is similar to experiencing pure intent such as a sweet longing?

Can you utilise this “powerful passionate” energy to have sexual intimacy with gay abandon, giving yourself completely to your life-partner?

Reading now the two paragraphs you added you seem to be answering your own question.

Cheers Vineeto

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Hi Vineeto,

I think this is indeed the case, plus it has happened enough times in the past with no results, so something is certainly fishy.

Again I would answer with a solid NO to both questions, it’s more dramatic rather than the flavour of a sweet longing/gay abandon.

But this just reminded me of something, I have written about this before. That when I first began with actualism, it took me about 6 months to have my first PCE as an actualist. But many times prior to that I would come close and as soon as the flavour of actuality was experienced I would also go into this same kind of dramatic response, and it would prevent the PCE each time. I remember at the time it was Claudiu that gave me some advice and said that he also experienced something similar after his spiritual years. Essentially it took for me to become aware of that pattern and then next time somewhat ‘chill out’ and then the PCE did happen shortly after.

It’s weird too because my first PCE (before actualism) devolved into a powerful ASC, and I wondered then if that was almost like I was habitually diverting the PCE into what was more accessible/relatable via ‘my’ affective memory, essentially making it a passionate affair. Experientially it was like as soon as I got close to a PCE ‘I’ began passionately screaming “yes this is what ‘I’ want” and this scream would stop the PCE in it’s tracks. Then afterwards I would be left with this quite heavy affective aftermath, like what one feels after a dangerous situation or a big cry.

And this passionate response I am describing here is essentially there same thing. It seems pretty clear that it is a diversion.

Oh you know what, it is almost like ‘I’ am still habitually looking for a moment of Realisation, just like ‘I’ habitually felt a PCE would be back then. It was only when ‘I’ chilled out that ‘I’ could allow the PCE to happen via ‘my’ abeyance. It’s like back then ‘I’ associated these affective fireworks - which happened when the PCE had already devolved into an ASC - with the PCE itself, and so the second that the PCE hove into view ‘I’ was already on the trigger for those fireworks. What is going on now is essentially that.

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Kuba: Back around the time of the fake out from control ‘I’ kept ‘myself’ intact, do-er and all,

John-E: Would you describe a bit more about the difference between “doer” and, if I remember correctly, there’s a term called “beer”? Is the “doer” the feeling of wanting things to change, and the “beer” the feeling of being, or what does it mean to you when you say doer/beer? (link)

Hi John,

Kuba gave an excellent experiential description about the doer when it’s being exposed, and only then one can “make way for the naive ‘be-er’”. (link)

Regarding more detailed information on the “doer/beer” I recommend the conversation I had with Ed in June last year – (Actualvineeto, Ed, 10 June 2025) and the follow-up conversations until June 15, 2025, where the topic of ‘beer’ and ‘doer’ was discussed at length.

However, as you have not reported having had a genuine PCE so far, a lot of “doer/ beer” might go right over your head. I can only suggest that you re-read my last correspondence with you on August 14, 2025, especially where I explained to you what an actual freedom is about, and then put this understanding into practice, in order to find out how ‘you’, the ‘doer’ tick. In other words, start where you are at.

VINEETO: There is certainly no such a thing as a “slider” from the ‘real’ world to the actual world. There is no connection between the real world in which feeling beings live and the actual world. A feeling being, ‘I’/ ‘me’, is forever locked out of the actual world, in other words ‘I’ can never experience actuality. Maybe this quote makes it more clear –

Richard: Nothing in the real-world is genuine (as in actually authentic, true, pure, bona fide, veritable, valid, non-counterfeit, non-fake, original, unadulterated, unalloyed, the real McCoy, and so on).
Respondent: I have no idea. It all seems to give me pleasure or pain depending on what’s going on. I’d say that thinking, imagining and feeling give me less pleasure than anything sensory, but then some thoughts I find ‘interesting’ (which is pleasurable) and some feelings I find ‘nice’ (like when I’m really happy). It’s all very confusing. What needs to go?
Richard: Eventually … everything.
Respondent: What needs to stay?
Richard: Ultimately … nothing.
Respondent: If the whole lot is to go, then how is it done?
Richard: By asking oneself, each moment again, how one is experiencing this moment of being alive (the only moment one is ever alive) until it becomes a non-verbal attitude towards life, a wordless approach to being alive, so that the slightest deviation from the wide and wondrous path to an actual freedom from the human condition – a way epitomised by a felicitous and innocuous naïve sensuousness – is not only automatically noticed almost immediately but the instance whereby the deviation occurred is readily ascertained such as to enable the resumption of one’s habituated blithesome and benign way again … sooner rather than later. (Richard, AF List, No. 90, 14 Jun 2005a).

In a genuine PCE it is patently obvious that one’s experience “is out of this world”, as in “jamais vu” (never seen) experience, that ‘I’ am nowhere to be found, where everything is so perfect that one could live like this forever.
If you consider it as a “slide” or a “scale” from good to better to excellent to PCE to actual freedom, then perhaps what you thought was a PCE was something else?
JOHN.E: I very much care about where on that slide I am, and I am here because I feel better when I’m more towards the PCE side of that scale and want to learn how to live there. But if going into and learning the different names that would correlate to that scale would make that easier, then I’m open to trying that out and see if it helps.
VINEETO: In order to “live there”, ‘you’, the feeling being, will have to die. ‘You’ can never experience the actual world. That’s what Geoffrey was referring to when he said –

Geoffrey: As long as you find yourself looking for the door that is tiny (the recipe, the formula, the secret sauce, the psychic gun, the pill, the trick), you’re nowhere near and should instead walk the path.
As long as you find the path narrow, arduous, vanishing, confusing, instead of wide and wondrous as it is, you’re not walking it, you are merely lost in the woods nearby – and should instead find it in yourself to take a first clear step in the right direction, such as making a commitment to happiness and harmlessness.
The door is wide as the universe, just as the path is by imitation.
When one knows what it is one wants, and when one knows what it is one must sacrifice, then only the sensible action remains. [Emphasis added]. (link)

When this has sunk in deeply then the actualism method of channelling all one’s affective energy from the ‘good’ feelings, the affectionate and desirable emotions and/or passions and/or calentures (those that are loving and trusting) and the ‘bad’ feelings, the hostile and invidious emotions and/or passions and/or calentures (those that are hateful and fearful) towards the felicitous/ innocuous feelings will make more sense.
The actualism method offers a way to diminish the bulk of the identity you are, peeling off layer by layer of identity-enhancing feelings and replacing them with identity-diminishing felicitous feelings until ‘I’ grow so thin and feeble that at some point ‘I’ will agree to relinquish control and go out-from-under-control, the different-way-of-being virtual freedom Richard has described many times. (Actualvineeto, John-E, 14 Aug 2025).

Cheers Vineeto

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Hi Kuba,

I have been thinking about those “powerful passionate “call to action”” attacks, and it occurred to me that there is a remnant resistance to a full agreement to ‘self’-immolation, given that you concluded that they are a diversion.

So when you find this cause of resistance, it’s time to negotiate – not in terms of making a compromise, but to listen to whatever objection there is and negotiate until all of you realise and acquiesce – to quote Geoffrey –

“that I would indeed gladly die right now, gladly give away all I am, all I ever was, all I’ve done and felt since I was born, for peace-on-earth to be apparent (not even for me but) for everybody. For things to be as they are. And that it would be of no importance at all. No ‘weight’, no drama… just the only thing that made sense, the only sensible thing.” (Geoffrey’s report of becoming free)

It fits well with your recent great post that being naiveté is contagiously affecting people and that “it does actually make sense to me, that the way to peace on earth is to be having fun being alive.” (link)

Cheers Vineeto

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Are these audio dialogues available to listen to somewhere?

That makes more sense when you describe it like this. Does this mean that when one becomes actually free, the “beer” also dissapears whereas in a PCE the “Beer” is still there?

Yes, this one was a great explanation on the topic.

Thank you for sharing this one, will read it later.

I believe I have had several PCE’s but I am open to the possibility that I have completely missunderstood the term.

In regards to the “slider” that was simply my way of thinking of going from being in a bad mood, to good mood, to excellence experience to PCE etc. Ie an excellence experience is closer to a PCE than being in a bad mood and the way reailty is percieved is vastly different depending on how I am feeling when I am experiencing it. Maybe I should’ve said slider from “being completely in the real-world to in a PCE.

I’ll keep on exploring and see what comes up, thank you for the tips :slight_smile:

Hi John,

No, they do not exist anymore.

Whatever is available, is listed in “Free Downloads”.

Cheers Vineeto

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The below quote from Richard has been coming up for me :

Richard: Innocence is something entirely new; it has never existed in human beings before. It is an evolutionary break-through to come upon innocence. It is a mutation of the human brain. Naiveté is a necessary precursor to invoke the condition of innocence.

It’s like the “loud-mouth” that is ‘me’ has been quiet enough to allow this exquisite purity to be beaming through, at times it has my jaw on the floor, just how incredible sensate experiencing can be, how pure and how close it is.

And I notice that although these experiences are “intense” (in terms of richness), it is not a hedonic intensity, the intensity/richness is precisely because of the purity and the closeness, meaning that it is all blithe and benign, it can’t be too much in that way. To stick with the recent theme - those experiences are intense/rich precisely because of what is no longer in the way, meaning that what is already here is experienced in a direct and clean manner.

Which the above makes something very clear experientially, that ‘I’ have to disappear in ‘my’ totality to allow this fully. There is no question about it, that exquisite purity is exactly where ‘I’ am not, it is experienced when ‘I’ am not etc.

I guess it’s different understanding the above intellectually and then walking down the wide and wondrous path until this becomes clear experientially. So yes I understand now what those words mean - Naiveté is a necessary precursor to invoke the condition of innocence.

The other thing is that seeing all this experientially there is no emotional/passionate reactions, in fact the emotional/passionate reactions are the dreams/nightmare scenarios which ‘I’ concoct in the meantime, until the above sinks in.

What a fascinating adventure it is, because I remember 2 distinct phases - first it was looking at the mountain of ‘human wisdom’ which seemed like I could never face up to it’s power and authority. And yet bit by bit it was taken apart until it became meaningless. Then it was the “wall of fear”, again seemingly an impenetrable force field, all very real and ghastly etc, and now it’s nowhere to be found.

So now I find myself very much how Peter described in the actualists guide (Peter – Guide on the Path to Actual Freedom)

Peter: As the remaining explorations and understandings peter out, one finds oneself in a state where everything begins to become calm and comfortable, as though a great storm has passed. A surety and easiness firmly based on actuality, a growing delight at being here and a joy at being alive is palpably present in one’s life whereas – if one can remember – confusion, belligerence and resentment once prevailed. Being happy and harmless is a salubrious state – it becomes increasingly effortless, requiring no ‘me’ to be continuously on guard, checking and controlling, lest malice rears its ugly head or sorrow insidiously seeps in. Realizing this fact leads to a gay abandon, a tangible loosening of the controls, and one is able to crank up a free and uninhibited YES to being here in this moment in time, not only fully involved in doing what is happening but also being aware of, and delighting in, the doing of it. This is most definitely not a feeling of gratitude maintained in order to overcome the fundamental human resentment but it is a palpable sensual delight in being in the business of being a flesh and blood body. This abandoning of control is also accompanied by a cessation of the incessant need to make sense of each and every situation or event. Increasingly all emotional memories of the past fade and disappear and any anxieties or worries about future events fall flat for want of any emotional input. The memory of ‘who’ one was at the beginning of the path to freedom also withers, as does the memory of the obvious fears and trepidations that were there at the start of the process. More and more, an unbelievable perfection and purity is obvious in this actual magical world and it becomes glaringly obvious that the ghostly remains of ‘my’ psyche will eventually collapse

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There is this other fascinating thing going on today, it reminds me of what Richard wrote (to paraphrase) - there is a sensation of ‘me’ not having happened yet. And in that moment I see something quite bizarre (not in a bad way at all though), that ‘my’ life has been as if this parallel happening, that it has nothing at all to do with what is actual, it never did. That upon ‘my’ dissolution the various particulars of the story of ‘my’ life will become as meaningless as the various dramas which I have so far resolved.

And in that experience there is something like a sense of sweet release, that a world exists (and has done all this time) where none of ‘my’ dramas has ever touched upon. That in the final analysis it was as Richard wrote - ““all a play in emotive imaginative thought … an errant and vainglorious brain-pattern”.

It means that none of ‘my’ dramas will ever carry through to actuality, they could not, which is actually a very wonderful thing. I see why pride had to go to allow such a thing tho haha!

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There is something that has been clarifying itself over the past few days, it’s a point that I have been understanding more and more over the years, which is that the actualism method is enjoying and appreciating this moment of being alive. It’s weird how this could take so long to fully sink in, but I see that in the past I saw actualism as something that Srinarth summarised when he wrote that with actualism one does not turn the T rex that is ‘me’ into a plush toy. Essentially it’s that in the past I approached actualism as if it was some psychological or therapeutic method which would inject happiness and harmlessness into the structure that is ‘me’. And in this misunderstanding I would waste a lot of time with ‘investigation’ which just went round in circles. It was back to front, ‘me’ along with ‘my’ various self-centred concerns would remain centre-stage and any progress would have to fit into that structure of ‘me’. This is something that Geoffrey was quick to point out last time we spoke on zoom, that all this ‘investigation’ is wasting time.

But I never wanted to accept this point, because it meant that ‘me’ along with ‘my’ concerns are not primary, that enjoying and appreciating this moment of being alive is where ‘I’ become unimportant, it cuts through all the red tape so to speak. That the actualism method is about a self-diminishing inclination, ‘I’ don’t become a plush toy but rather ‘I’ become less and less important, and enjoying and appreciating this moment of being alive is the very means to effect this change, as well as being the end goal itself. The other related point is that enjoying and appreciating this moment of being alive is unconditional, that is why it is always available now, it does not take a step by step process or a length of time to become available. The “hard” in actualism is when ‘I’ try to fit enjoyment and appreciation into the conditional outlines of ‘me’, then enjoying and appreciating seems to be only available if X and Y happens first. Essentially ‘I’ turn enjoying and appreciating into a conditional affair, dictated by ‘my’ self-centred involvements, and then wonder why it is so difficult, fleeting etc, Meanwhile the option to enjoy and appreciate this moment of being alive is right here for the taking this whole time.

So to summarise the past few days I have been observing that the method is enjoying and appreciating this moment of being alive, that this is always unconditional and also just how much time I have spent as an actualist focusing on anything but enjoying and appreciating this moment of being alive. I guess this might be normal, in that at first ‘I’ have to sort through the mess that is the human condition and so ‘I’ have ‘my’ hands busy looking at this and that, and then eventually with the bulk of that stuff out of the way, the simplicity of the method hoves into view.

What I have been observing too is that with unconditional enjoyment and appreciation - of the very fact of being alive now - becoming a standard of experiencing, the various conditional enjoyments become a cherry on top of the cake. Whereas when that unconditional enjoyment and appreciation was lacking there was no amount of conditional enjoyments that could ever fill the void, then ‘I’ would become desperately involved, clawing at some way to gain happiness in that conditional manner, by controlling this and that but knowing full well that ‘I’ will plunge into emptiness sooner or later. To enjoy and appreciate this moment of being alive means that I have enough already simply by virtue of being here, and then the conditional things look so much different, they don’t ultimately matter, and because they don’t ultimately matter they can be enjoyed and appreciated fully too, for what they are. The universe has already filled the cup full - that is the way things are - and then it’s a question of just what I would like to do on top of all this fullness, which cherry to place on top of the cake, but it matters not ultimately, and then it can be fun.

Oh and I have to add that it was Vineeto’s wonderful post to Andrew that helped me put this together too - Andrew - #1478 by Vineeto

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Kuba: There is something that has been clarifying itself over the past few days, it’s a point that I have been understanding more and more over the years, which is that the actualism method is enjoying and appreciating this moment of being alive. It’s weird how this could take so long to fully sink in, but I see that in the past I saw actualism as something that Srinath summarised when he wrote that with actualism one does not turn the T rex that is ‘me’ into a plush toy. Essentially it’s that in the past I approached actualism as if it was some psychological or therapeutic method which would inject happiness and harmlessness into the structure that is ‘me’. And in this misunderstanding I would waste a lot of time with ‘investigation’ which just went round in circles. It was back to front, ‘me’ along with ‘my’ various self-centred concerns would remain centre-stage and any progress would have to fit into that structure of ‘me’. This is something that Geoffrey was quick to point out last time we spoke on zoom, that all this ‘investigation’ is wasting time.

Hi Kuba,

Ha, here is the person, having succeeded in dismantling ‘his’ obstructive tricks for being happy and harmless and declaring that all these investigations were a waste of time? At least this is how this paragraph reads to me. From where you started – and everyone has to start where they are at – these deliberations and realisations and insights, with the following actualisations of those insights – were necessary to remove the inevitable roadblocks which any lost, lonely, frightened and very cunning entity will/would put up for their survival.

It is only in hindsight that you can see that your worry and struggle was for naught, because the actual world is already here and is only obscured by ‘your’ persistent presence. Why does Richard say –

Richard: I am full of admiration for the ‘me’ that dared to do such a thing. I owe all that I experience now to ‘me’. I salute ‘my’ audacity. (Richard’s Journal, Appendix 3, p. 282).

– if the process of dismantling ‘me’ doesn’t take daring and audacity?

It took persistence and courage to come to the point where you had to face the fact that nothing of ‘you’ will remain if/when you proceed to your destiny. And this is marvellous and worth your full appreciation.

Kuba: But I never wanted to accept this point, because it meant that ‘me’ along with ‘my’ concerns are not primary, that enjoying and appreciating this moment of being alive is where ‘I’ become unimportant, it cuts through all the red tape so to speak. That the actualism method is about a self-diminishing inclination, ‘I’ don’t become a plush toy but rather ‘I’ become less and less important, and enjoying and appreciating this moment of being alive is the very means to effect this change, as well as being the end goal itself. The other related point is that enjoying and appreciating this moment of being alive is unconditional, that is why it is always available now, it does not take a step by step process or a length of time to become available. The “hard” in actualism is when ‘I’ try to fit enjoyment and appreciation into the conditional outlines of ‘me’, then enjoying and appreciating seems to be only available if X and Y happens first. Essentially ‘I’ turn enjoying and appreciating into a conditional affair, dictated by ‘my’ self-centred involvements, and then wonder why it is so difficult, fleeting etc, Meanwhile the option to enjoy and appreciate this moment of being alive is right here for the taking this whole time.

Well said – and of course most people do this because this is how both the instinctual and the social programming operates in everybody. It’s really funny, only when the “hard” way, the ‘self’-affirming struggle, fails does one dare to consider the (frightening) prospect of trying out the ‘self’-diminishing option – such as putting everything on a “it-doesn’t-really-matter” basis. That’s where courage is required, scrupulous honesty and integrity.

Kuba: So to summarise the past few days I have been observing that the method is enjoying and appreciating this moment of being alive, that this is always unconditional, and also just how much time I have spent as an actualist focusing on anything but enjoying and appreciating this moment of being alive. I guess this might be normal, in that at first ‘I’ have to sort through the mess that is the human condition and so ‘I’ have ‘my’ hands busy looking at this and that, and then eventually with the bulk of that stuff out of the way, the simplicity of the method hoves into view.

Yes, that is why I responded to your first paragraph as I did. Ha, actuality may well be “a joyful elephant in the corner of the room just waiting to be noticed all along” (link), as Felipe termed it tongue-in-cheek, but as many, if not all of you, have experienced, there is a price of admission to be able to again and again notice and experience it. This price of admission is both ‘my’ recalcitrant ego and ‘my’ contumacious soul and they are both more sticky than duct tape aka hurricane tape. It wants removing bit by bit.

Kuba: What I have been observing too is that with unconditional enjoyment and appreciation – of the very fact of being alive now – becoming a standard of experiencing, the various conditional enjoyments become a cherry on top of the cake. Whereas when that unconditional enjoyment and appreciation was lacking there was no amount of conditional enjoyments that could ever fill the void, then ‘I’ would become desperately involved, clawing at some way to gain happiness in that conditional manner, by controlling this and that but knowing full well that ‘I’ will plunge into emptiness sooner or later. To enjoy and appreciate this moment of being alive means that I have enough already simply by virtue of being here, and then the conditional things look so much different, they don’t ultimately matter, and because they don’t ultimately matter they can be enjoyed and appreciated fully too, for what they are. The universe has already filled the cup full – that is the way things are – and then it’s a question of just what I would like to do on top of all this fullness, which cherry to place on top of the cake, but it matters not ultimately, and then it can be fun.

An excellent description and I much appreciate that you are able to experience it. You might like this one –

Richard: With this growing magnanimity, one becomes more and more anonymous, more and more selflessly motivated. With this expanding altruism one becomes less and less self-centred, less and less egocentric … the humanitarian ideals of peace, kindness, caring, benevolence and humaneness become more and more evident as an actuality.
And all this while I asked ‘how am I experiencing this moment of being alive? … and the essential character of the perfection of the physical infinitude of this material universe was enabled by ‘my’ concurrence. This enabling is experienced as a ‘pure intent’ running as a ‘golden thread’, as it were, from the purity and perfection of the PCE to that little-used faculty: naiveté (which is the closest one can get to innocence). (Richard, List B, James, 17 Oct 1999a).

Kuba: Oh and I have to add that it was Vineeto’s wonderful post to Andrew that helped me put this together too – Andrew - #1478 by Vineeto
(link)

Indeed, it is to allow this “little-used faculty: naiveté” to flourish, which will enable one to see “the “hard” in actualism”, the addiction to being ‘me’, as a superfluous appendix that can joyfully be discarded.

Cheers Vineeto

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@Vineeto There is something that I haven’t noticed before in this quote that you posted above from Richard to me: “And all this while I asked ‘how am I experiencing this moment of being alive? … and the essential character of the perfection of the physical infinitude of this material universe was enabled by ‘my’ concurrence. This enabling is experienced as a ‘pure intent’ running as a ‘golden thread’, as it were, from the purity and perfection of the PCE to that little-used faculty: naiveté (which is the closest one can get to innocence).” (Richard, List B, James, 17 Oct 1999a).

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And all this while I asked ‘how am I experiencing this moment of being alive? … and the essential character of the perfection of the physical infinitude of this material universe was enabled by ‘my’ concurrence. This enabling is experienced as a ‘pure intent’ running as a ‘golden thread’, as it were, from the purity and perfection of the PCE to that little-used faculty: naiveté (which is the closest one can get to innocence). (Richard, List B, James, 17 Oct 1999a).

Kuba: Oh and I have to add that it was Vineeto’s wonderful post to Andrew that helped me put this together too – Andrew - #1478 by Vineeto
(link)

Indeed, it is to allow this “little-used faculty: naiveté” to flourish, which will enable one to see “the “hard” in actualism”, the addiction to being ‘me’, as a superfluous appendix that can joyfully be discarded.

Cheers Vineeto

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I haven’t noticed this before where Richard said above that pure intent is essentially a golden thread.

James:

Richard: With this growing magnanimity, one becomes more and more anonymous, more and more selflessly motivated. With this expanding altruism one becomes less and less self-centred, less and less egocentric … the humanitarian ideals of peace, kindness, caring, benevolence and humaneness become more and more evident as an actuality.
And all this while I asked ‘how am I experiencing this moment of being alive? … and the essential character of the perfection of the physical infinitude of this material universe was enabled by ‘my’ concurrence. This enabling is experienced as a ‘pure intent’ running as a ‘golden thread’, as it were, from the purity and perfection of the PCE to that little-used faculty: naiveté (which is the closest one can get to innocence). (Richard, List B, James, 17 Oct 1999a).

Kuba: Oh and I have to add that it was Vineeto’s wonderful post to Andrew that helped me put this together too – Andrew - #1478 by Vineeto (link)

Vineeto: Indeed, it is to allow this “little-used faculty: naiveté” to flourish, which will enable one to see “the “hard” in actualism”, the addiction to being ‘me’, as a superfluous appendix that can joyfully be discarded. (link)

James: I haven’t noticed this before where Richard said above that pure intent is essentially a golden thread. (link)

Hi James,

I wonder if you noticed the difference in how Richard’s phrased the report of his experiencing and you phrased it –

Richard: (…) This enabling is experienced as a ‘pure intent’ running as a ‘golden thread’, as it were, (…) [emphasis added].

Whereby “as it were” means the experience “in the existing circumstances”.

James: “… pure intent is essentially a golden thread …”

You turned Richard’s description of his experience “in the existing circumstances” into a fixed rule, a category, a philosophy, a static statement by adding the word “essentially” into the sentence. “Essentially” is “used to emphasize the basic, fundamental, or intrinsic nature of a person or thing”.

As far as a feeling being is concerned they either experience such “genuinely occurring stream of benevolence and benignity” in this moment or they are not. When they experience it then pure intent is “‘running as a ‘golden thread’”, when they don’t experience it, it ain’t. Hence the qualifying term “as it were”.

To put it in another way – when you don’t experience pure intent, the ‘golden thread’ does not exist for you, whereas pure intent, the “genuinely occurring stream of benevolence and benignity” always exists, whether you experience it or not. Benevolence and benignity are the values inherent to the perfection and purity of infinitude.

Richard: The fundamental characteristic, or nature, of the universe is its infinitude – specifically having the properties of being spatially infinite and temporally eternal and materially perdurable – or, to put that another way, its absoluteness … as such it is a veritable perpetuus mobilis (as in being self-existent/ non-dependent and/or self-reliant/ non-contingent and/or self-sufficient/ unconditional and/or self-generating/ unsupported).
Having no other/ no opposite this infinitude and/or absoluteness has the property of being without compare/ incomparable, as in peerless/ matchless, and is thus perfect (complete-in-itself, consummate, ultimate).
And this is truly wonderful to behold.
Being perfect this infinitude and/or absoluteness has the qualities (qualia are intrinsic to properties) of being flawless/ faultless, as in impeccable/ immaculate, and is thus pure/ pristine.
And which is indubitably a marvellous state of affairs.
Inherent to such perfection, such purity, are the values (properties plus qualities equals values) of benignity – ‘of a thing: favourable, propitious, salutary’ (Oxford Dictionary) – and benevolence (as in being well-disposed, beneficent, bounteous, and so on) … and which are values in the sense of ‘the quality of a thing considered in respect of its ability to serve a specified purpose or cause an effect’. (Oxford Dictionary).
And that, to say the least, is quite amazing. (Richard, AF List, Rick, 30 Sep 2005)

So if you want pure intent to be a golden thread for you then you do whatever you can to experience this “genuinely occurring stream of benevolence and benignity” on an ongoing basis or as much as possible. It is truly wonderful.

Cheers Vineeto

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Hi Vineeto,

Thank you for your reply, your input is always greatly appreciated.

Yes I see your point and you are correct, the various obstacles are all very real until they are resolved and change is actualised, only then it all seems to have been much ado about nothing and indeed it does take daring and audacity to evince this kind of change.

And to prove the point you already made I have 1 real obstacle which I have been outlining recently :grin: . Basically I have come to locate this fundamental insecurity, it expresses itself in many different ways but they all trace back to the same place. Some of the ways it expresses itself in is for example this undercurrent of feeling that I may have made a mistake for which I will be criticised, that I have inadvertently got on the wrong side of someone etc. This feeling is what the high achiever / perfectionist would cover up in the past. Oh you know in the PCE video when Richard gives the example of “excuse me for taking up space” - that is the feeling! In that place it feels like ‘I’ am so small and the world is towering over ‘me’ and ‘I’ am just waiting to be crushed. And this fundamental insecurity, it’s various tentacles reach into many different parts of 'my’ persona, although now it’s a bit like the tentacles have been chopped off one after the other (such as the high achiever / perfectionist etc) and now I am able to see just that place of ‘my’ fundamental insecurity.

I can very much experience the flavour of that place, right at the core of it. I wonder is that feeling of “excuse me for taking up space” because ‘I’ know deep down that ‘I’ am a fraud. ‘I’ am insecure because ‘I’ am only a spanner in the works, and deep down ‘I’ do know this. The normal way to deal with this would be to be proud of one’s performance as an identity, to blindly and passionately defend that ‘I’ am right, good etc. But then without those tactics in place there is only this fundamental insecurity left. And it’s funny because it is a bit like an appendix at this point haha, in that it has nothing to do anymore, no reason to be and yet it is just there.

Actually I should probably amend the above to say ‘I’ am the appendix that is just there now without any reason and hence ‘I’ feel insecure for taking up space.

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This has been my entire month! But extremely explicit, and to my face, as well as behind my back.

I gave my notice in a month ago. The new general manager and sidekick have made no secret that they despise what I have achieved. Like petulant 2 year olds, they have literally displayed their scorn in passive aggression to my face.

To the point that I finally got it. To your point, I haven’t all these years in various jobs and circumstances maybe “got on the wrong side of someone “; was always, (as is ‘everyone’), already “on the wrong side” of all the ‘others’.

It was my own vainglorious self which imagined it otherwise! Haha

Yes Vineeto, thank you for clearing up my misunderstanding: Pure intent is only a golden thread if it is experienced on an ongoing basis. It is not a golden thread in and of itself.

This helps me to understand why I have not experienced pure intent on an ongoing basis. Actually I am tuning in to the purity that is pure intent right now. I think it will help me to keep it ongoing by remembering the purity that always exists.

Also, it will help to remember pure intent as you said per Richard is a “genuinely occurring stream of benevolence and benignity”. Iow pure intent is an ongoing stream of purity.

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I always enjoy that part. It drew a lot of attention to the me that felt it was taking up space and believed it could be bigger or smaller. Or entitled to space or disenfranchised from it. Or hide or make itself known.

The exchange leading up to that moment is informative. It begins around 27:50:

00:27:49:18 - 00:28:10:03
Speaker 1
And it’s. I can actually look at you. Yeah. And it’s quite safe to look at you. And normally I never feel safe looking at people and, and I don’t know if it’s because I don’t want to be looked at, but I never I never feel safe or comfortable.

00:28:10:06 - 00:28:11:18
Speaker 2
Have you’ve got anything to hide right now?

00:28:11:20 - 00:28:12:19
Speaker 1
No.

00:28:12:21 - 00:28:17:00
Speaker 2
There’s your answer, isn’t it? Sorry I did butt in a bit…

00:28:17:02 - 00:28:19:00
Speaker 1
Well, I don’t have anything to hide…

00:28:19:02 - 00:28:22:02
Speaker 2
You said you didn’t feel, normally you don’t feel safe to look at somebody.

00:28:22:02 - 00:28:33:20
Speaker 1
No. What is it? I mean, I don’t know what I’d normally try to hide, whether it’s sad. I don’t know what what it sounds like. It’s just emotion that I would normally want to try and hide.

00:28:33:20 - 00:29:01:21
Speaker 2
Or is it that identity or entity called me that doesn’t want to be seen? And when that identity slips away, that’s what I mean by nothing to hide. I have nothing to hide. Oh I mean I know it because I live at night and but um…

00:29:01:23 - 00:29:05:18
Speaker 2
You’re simply here, as a flesh and blood body. What is there to hide?

00:29:05:19 - 00:29:07:19
Speaker 1
There’s nothing nothing to hide, right.

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