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Vineeto: It’s strange, I only wrote the sequence of the actualism method the way I did in order to give you confirmation that you are definitely on the spot by choosing sensuousness to concentrate on, whereas for you it “puts a dent in me thinking I am somehow ‘good’ at this.”
A well, never mind. (link)

Claudiu: Well there is more to it.
I was thrilled to see that I was on the right track – which is indeed indicative of having a good grasp of what I’m doing. But what was injured was my… intellectual pride!! […]
In other words my intellectual pride was injured, that it took me so long to see something that was so plainly written and so simple. Of course, thinking about it sensibly, it is understandable. The human condition is very weird and tricky and cunning indeed. But the reaction was valuable to really get this bugger by the throat! […] I’m actually having trouble thinking why I was holding on to this pride now.
I eventually just saw that it was just a choice of if I want to continue being that way or not! And I decided that no, I don’t want to be. And that appears to have been the end of it haha. It really felt a lot more dramatic at the time but writing it now it sounds so simple. […]

Hi Claudiu,

Thank you for explaining the “dent” in detail, and I am pleased you found those features of your psyche to explore satisfactorily and also recognized how they were stacked on top of each other so that you had to discover/ resolve them in sequence.

First, a dent in your intellectual pride … wondering why it took you so long to discover the significance of sensuosity.

Maybe you noticed when clicking on the link that Richard’s being-the-senses-only-PCE happened during his enlightenment period and was introduced with “If I had not been taken in by delusions of grandeur I would have paid particular notice of experiences like this one”. Hence his comment that “a question that had been running for some weeks became experientially answered: without the senses I would not know that I exist.” [emphasis added]

From this you can see the enlightened ‘Richard’ was similarly hamstrung by dominant passions to give sufficient attention to sensuousness at the time. Maybe this goes some way to at least restore your confidence, rather than pride, in your capacity for sagacity.

Claudiu: But I was continuing to get frustrated and spinning out, and suddenly I realize that… I was resenting being alive! I dug into it more and I labelled what I was experiencing as that “basic resentment” that Richard talked about identifying way early on, on his path. I was able to compare that feeling of resentment with the superlatively mirificent recent PCE, and … was able to basically just totally reject and get rid of that resentment! […]
I contemplated a lot about resentment, it’s not like I ignored the topic. But I really get the sense that I only got rid of this basic resentment now. […]
And suddenly it clicked, I would not admitted that so readily and smoothly if that intellectual pride was still in place! I would be trying to defend my pride instead. So perhaps this explains why I was never really able to get rid of that basic resentment before – because I’d have to admit I didn’t, and I would feel foolish (lol). […] There is a simplicity and peace that is the default now. In the past I always felt like I had to ‘work’ to some degree to stave off spiralling towards feeling bad. But that seems to have ended now. It’s really a lot simpler! […]

Underneath this intellectual pride you found a feeling of so far undetected basic resentment, which could not have been discovered without getting rid of this intellectual pride first. And both of them were instrumental for not having discovered the significance of sensuosity earlier. Ha, someone recently compared the actualism method to peeling an onion.

This in turn will increase your ability to being naïve because there is no more reputation to lose, or is there?

Claudiu: Putting it together with today it is that being free would be a guarantee that I will only do what is sensible – which is wonderful. (link)

Ha, I think that your appreciation of infinitude (“being free”) is too limited. The universe is much more than sensible … and so is an actually free person, being ultimately the universe’s experience of itself as an apperceptive human being (sans identity). Here are a few descriptions of what one is when actually free from Richard’s Journal (edited for brevity) –

Actual perfection and excellence is free. It is the freely available bonus of daring to be me. Unadorned I stand on my own; more free than a bird on the wing and cleaner than a sea-breeze on a sweltering summer’s day. To be me is to be fresh, each moment again. Owing nothing to no one I am free from corruption … perversity has vanished forever. Unpolluted as I am by any alien entity, my thoughts and my deeds are automatically graceful. Goodwill, freed of social morality, comes effortlessly to me for all internal conflict is over. I am gentle and peaceful in character. […] One’s native intelligence […] is free to operate with an actual sagacity … sensible, rational thought enables one to live freely in this world of people, things and events.

This is a tremendous universe in all its workings … this physical world we humans live in is magnificent, to say the least. […] … it is a sensual delight to walk freely in this, the actual world. This actual – this sensate and organic – experience of being here now, living my life so happily and harmlessly, remains unsurpassed in the annals of the history of humankind […]
With peace comes benignity and benevolence. I simply have no desire, no urge, no compulsion – and no need – to hurt the other, or anyone else. I have discovered that it is possible to be free. I have found the joy of being me. Freed by pure intent from the very necessary social constraints – designed to control a wayward ego and a compliant soul – I can have generosity of character without striving. Pleasingly, I can take no credit for being kind, for it comes automatically. (Richard’s Journal, Article Twelve)

Pure contemplation is not thinking ‘about’ something … which is the usual way of thought. Pure contemplation does not take a duration of time. It is instant thought, a realisation, a flash of seeing. In pure contemplation ‘I’ do no thinking … thinking does itself. ‘I’ have no substance, therefore in pure contemplation there is thinking without a ‘thinker’. Thought operates freely … and in immaculate wonder. Pure contemplation is a state of unsullied wonderment: “how can this world happen?”, or “what is this universe doing here?”, or “where does this body come from?” […]

All is self-generating … and so exquisitely intricate. This is actual intimacy. To be actually intimate is to be without the separative identity. I am not apart from the universe … I am the universe experiencing itself. […] It is inevitable that this pure intimacy prevails in the actual for in actual freedom lies benignity; which literally means to be kindly, gentle, harmless, propitious. (Richard’s Journal, Article Fourteen)

As you can see there is much, much more to being actually free than “a guarantee that I will only do what is sensible”.

Cheers Vineeto

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Haha well yet again we are making the same discoveries, I had essentially the same experience yesterday which related to gladly being willing to appear foolish.

When I wrote the 2 posts yesterday, first describing success with allowing sensuousness and then shortly making a turn around to find it a dead end there and ending with what appeared to me like a ‘childish’ story of wanting to go into a ghost realm to safe my ex girlfriend :laughing:

Afterwards there was that feeling of, “am I being a fool”, “am I just all over the place” etc. I realised though that I was no longer willing to let something like this stop me from doing anything I can do become actually free. It was exactly how Richard describes naiveté, that it is an aspect of oneself that one has locked away for fear of appearing foolish. And now I had unlocked that place within ‘myself’. I realised that I would gladly appear a fool and I would gladly appear to be all over the place, because what I am actually doing is placing this goal of becoming actually free from the human condition as more important than anything else. That I would gladly be wrong a million times if this is what it takes to do it.

This “being careful as not to get things wrong / appear a fool / go against some script” has blocked ‘me’ for long enough, it was the default way ‘I’ lived ‘my’ life. This seems like a little thing but it is not, because naiveté is such an important ingredient to success. This need not to appear foolish meant that ‘I’ had to maintain some kind of severity/solemnity, that ‘I’ had to remain serious to some degree, ‘I’ had to maintain ‘myself’. And it is hard to make discoveries when one is being so damn careful!

It is so nice to be able to interact with others without this serious aspect. Shortly after this discovery I was working one of my hen parties and what a wonderful thing it was to be freely liking and likeable with “a bunch of strangers” (not experienced like this though). It was clear that they liked me and I liked them too, and in this atmosphere everyone could and did have a ball!

I would take this further and say that it is not even that you “constrain” the total rang of possible actions, this would again be splitting yourself and using some kind of outside tool as an arbiter, in this case the tool of silly vs sensible. Rather you simply do not want those things.
Sure I could go and do anything right now (there is a range of horrors available to inflict) and more than any tool or morality or the law, the reason I don’t do these is because I don’t want to. It is because I care about my fellow human beings.

I do not see it any different in actual freedom but just much more in that direction, there cannot be any constraints / lack of ability to act there of course otherwise it wouldn’t be actual freedom.

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Hi Vineeto,

Yeeees, I may have been being a bit… … melodramatic :laughing: . Before I pinned down the basic resentment I even had a bout of feeling like all is lost, I’m so bad at this, I will never succeed… I really felt that! But I was able to take a step back and say ok, sensibly speaking, this doesn’t make sense, I’ve factually progressed and learned quite a bit. Once I came back to my senses I realized what I was doing and thought this was a good way to characterize it:

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In hindsight it may have been pride’s flip-side, humility, rearing its head for a last hurrah – which by now it, too, appears to be vastly diminished if not gone!

With that being said I appreciate your follow-up here. I did mistakenly come away with the impression that ‘Richard’ knew immediately what to do from the get-go, sensuousness, and immediately started succeeding with it. That is true in a sense, he was able to eliminate anger and basic resentment within 3 weeks. But it took him 11 years or so to eventually succeed… and what you pointed out indicates that ‘his’ process of figuring it out and going through it has similarities, basically ‘he’ was just ‘human’ as well and not some ‘superhuman’. That being said he is more than just a regular ‘human’, he was the first to discover this is possible and bring it into the world… when I repeatedly read it over many years the plain facts of what to do and how to do it and what it is, it still takes time to sink in and to actually do it, and here he was, without any guide written, and yet he managed to do it anyway! Remarkable and not something I would have been able to do, I wouldn’t be the first – but of course, I don’t have to be!

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Today I had some time and I was again contemplating on having it happen, actually self-immolating… the thing that I have come to see is this:

That really, there is no way to self-immolate other than ‘me’ actually self-immolating :laughing:

It sounds tautological, but… what I mean is: all of ‘me’ has to actually go away, and disappear, entirely, and forever. A lot of what I have been up to seems to be to try to sneakily get around this requirement, like maybe a part of ‘me’ can keep going and then only most of ‘me’ will go away. But, that is not so.

So it’s a matter of cleanly and clearly separating out what is ‘me’, and what is actual… and what is ‘me’, all of ‘me’, agreeing to disappear, forever, for the benefit of that which is far superior, namely, actuality!

And, wondrously of all, I came to see that ‘I’ actually want this! ‘I’ can and am willing to give myself up for that which is superior! And this just feels so amazingly good – and not in an ecstatic way, but rather, in a naive way. It is like naivete ramped up to 1000%. It just feels so light, wondrous, and carefree, to give myself up like this! The way forward is clearly delineated by this direction – all of ‘me’, gladly and cheerfully giving ‘myself’ up! Like the actual feeling of getting on board with that is a wondrous and naive feeling, the affective hedonic tone is remarkable positive, it is just actually fun and wondrous to feel this way! All of ‘me’ getting on board :man_dancing:

Later in the day I was having a convo with two people and there was a lot of crosstalk and I wasn’t able to get out something that I really wanted to say. I had such a powerful reaction that I was floored and reeled. I got so amazingly annoyed! It was like a deep, burning annoyance. I kept my hands in my pockets and apparently it didn’t show, but this was such a deep annoyance, like it hit at my very core – and over such a trivial thing!

It was remarkable though that I was not annoyed at being annoyed, or beating myself up for feeling annoyed… I was allowing the annoyance, letting myself fully feel it, neither expressing nor repressing. And this helped me to see the shape of it, the shape of ‘me’. This remarkably deep and solid-feeling thing, like a rod of annoyance haha. It made it all the more clear that all of me, indeed, has to go!

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This post was awesome so I just wanted to link to it here :grin:

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Vineeto: From this you can see the enlightened ‘Richard’ was similarly hamstrung by dominant passions to give sufficient attention to sensuousness at the time. Maybe this goes some way to at least restore your confidence, rather than pride, in your capacity for sagacity.

Claudiu: Yeeees, I may have been being a bit… … melodramatic. Before I pinned down the basic resentment I even had a bout of feeling like all is lost, I’m so bad at this, I will never succeed… I really felt that! But I was able to take a step back and say ok, sensibly speaking, this doesn’t make sense, I’ve factually progressed and learned quite a bit. Once I came back to my senses I realized what I was doing and thought this was a good way to characterize it: (image)

In hindsight it may have been pride’s flip-side, humility, rearing its head for a last hurrah – which by now it, too, appears to be vastly diminished if not gone!

Hi Claudiu:

This is excellent – all your ‘skeletons’ are now revealing themselves one after the other. There is no other way.

Whenever we (associates of Richard) had a plan for any enterprise for the future, bigger than going for a boat-ride, Richard never argued pros and cons with insufficient information available but suggested to make it as actual as possible, meaning to proceed, as far as possible, as if it was actually going to happen. This not only did provide more practical information but, even more importantly, brought out the involved people’s hopes and concerns and possible hidden objections for the planned project.

This is exactly what you are doing – and what a treasure trove of discoveries you make! Ha, and what a wonderfully funny image you found for it. :blush:

Claudiu: With that being said I appreciate your follow-up here. I did mistakenly come away with the impression that ‘Richard’ knew immediately what to do from the get-go, sensuousness, and immediately started succeeding with it. That is true in a sense, he was able to eliminate anger and basic resentment within 3 weeks. But it took him 11 years or so to eventually succeed… and what you pointed out indicates that ‘his’ process of figuring it out and going through it has similarities, basically ‘he’ was just ‘human’ as well and not some ‘superhuman’.
That being said he is more than just a regular ‘human’, he was the first to discover this is possible and bring it into the world… when I repeatedly read it over many years the plain facts of what to do and how to do it and what it is, it still takes time to sink in and to actually do it, and here he was, without any guide written, and yet he managed to do it anyway! Remarkable and not something I would have been able to do, I wouldn’t be the first – but of course, I don’t have to be!

Yes, I did have the impression that you misunderstood – for instance, I only quoted that Richard started with “to deliberately imitate the actual” (link) and you took it that ‘he’ started with sensuousness.

Yes, “basically ‘he’ was just ‘human’” and Richard emphasized this on several occasions –

Richard: This is very important, because people can put themselves down only too easily as being not good enough, not intelligent enough or not capable enough. I am not gifted or special … I was born of ordinary parents, was sent to an ordinary state school – receiving an average education until I was fifteen years of age – took an ordinary job and worked for a living. I eventually got married and had four children and bought a house and … in short, I was relatively normal and did all the expected things. Thus did I live my life for thirty two years according to the ‘tried and true’ methods as laid down by the countless millions of other humans that had lived before me. I tried my best to make their system work to produce the optimum result … but to no avail.
Only then did I make the first and most important movement of my own volition … I discarded the ‘tried and true’ as being the ‘tried and failed’. (I did say ‘I was relatively normal’ because one thing, and one thing alone, stood out that distinguished me from whomsoever else I met: I wanted to know – as an actuality – just what it was to be a human being here on this planet, as this body, in this life-time.) (Richard, List A, No. 26)

And ‘he’ was determined to find out, dedicated to make actuality a lived experience 24hrs a day, no matter what, able to use ‘his’ ‘native human intelligence’ and, most important of all, ‘giving up’ was not in ‘his’ vocabulary. Richard was also very, very thorough (before and after self-immolation), and I came to observe this and marvel at it whenever he researched something in every single topic he inquired into, including precise vocabulary.

I fully agree I would have never been able to be the first, but then nobody else ever needs to be – an actual freedom is already here (discovered, lived, reported and explained by the “genitor”). And consequently, an actual freedom is now so much easier to eventually become apparent for each pioneer.

As you rightly say – “it still takes time to sink in”. Richard refers to this time as a gestation period, as in, some insight or realisation may need some time simmering in the background before it is ready to be actualized.

Naiveté turned up to its full extent will see you through to the very (welcome and blessed) oblivion.

Cheers Vineeto

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Claudiu: Today I had some time and I was again contemplating on having it happen, actually self-immolating… the thing that I have come to see is this:
That really, there is no way to self-immolate other than ‘me’ actually self-immolating
It sounds tautological, but… what I mean is: all of ‘me’ has to actually go away, and disappear, entirely, and forever. A lot of what I have been up to seems to be to try to sneakily get around this requirement, like maybe a part of ‘me’ can keep going and then only most of ‘me’ will go away. But, that is not so.

Hi Claudiu,
Ha, including ‘Claudiu’s’ sensibleness? As in –

Claudiu: Putting it together with today it is that being free would be a guarantee that I will only do what is sensible – which is wonderful. (link)

It might have to make way to share the stage when “naivete ramped up to 1000%” wants to play its part.

Claudiu: So it’s a matter of cleanly and clearly separating out what is ‘me’, and what is actual… and what is ‘me’, all of ‘me’, agreeing to disappear, forever, for the benefit of that which is far superior, namely, actuality!
And, wondrously of all, I came to see that ‘I’ actually want this! ‘I’ can and am willing to give myself up for that which is superior! And this just feels so amazingly good – and not in an ecstatic way, but rather, in a naive way. It is like naivete ramped up to 1000%. It just feels so light, wondrous, and carefree, to give myself up like this! The way forward is clearly delineated by this direction – all of ‘me’, gladly and cheerfully giving ‘myself’ up! Like the actual feeling of getting on board with that is a wondrous and naive feeling, the affective hedonic tone is remarkable positive, it is just actually fun and wondrous to feel this way! All of ‘me’ getting on board.image

This is really and truly wonderful to behold.

Claudiu: Later in the day I was having a convo with two people and there was a lot of crosstalk and I wasn’t able to get out something that I really wanted to say. I had such a powerful reaction that I was floored and reeled. I got so amazingly annoyed! It was like a deep, burning annoyance. I kept my hands in my pockets and apparently it didn’t show, but this was such a deep annoyance, like it hit at my very core – and over such a trivial thing!
It was remarkable though that I was not annoyed at being annoyed, or beating myself up for feeling annoyed… I was allowing the annoyance, letting myself fully feel it, neither expressing nor repressing. And this helped me to see the shape of it, the shape of ‘me’. This remarkably deep and solid-feeling thing, like a rod of annoyance haha. It made it all the more clear that all of me, indeed, has to go!

Annoyance, as in “irritation, exasperation, vexation, indignation, anger, crossness, displeasure, chagrin, pique, aggravation, ire, nuisance, pest, bother, inconvenience, menace, headache, hassle, pain in the neck …” (Oxford Dictionary). It is remarkable how many synonyms this particular emotion has, bearing witness to the fact that it plays a dominant part in feeling beings’ lives.

It is fortuitous that it has fully come out in the open now and you can deal with it once and for all.

Isn’t it marvellous that after pride/humility is gone there is nothing more to hide.

Cheers Vineeto

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Claudiu: This post was awesome so I just wanted to link to it here

Vineeto: Good day Ian, I don’t know if you heard, there is a serious mental health warning regarding a new, very contagious virus called “naiveté”. It is highly contagious because it has been discovered that it spreads on the psychic network via happy and harmless vibes such as is happening already on this forum and is therefore not restricted to only local outbreaks of the disease. It is something entirely new in the real world. Even though children display certain symptoms when young, they soon grow … Ian’s Journal Journals

Hi Claudiu,

I am pleased you recognized how significant this post was and hereby giving me the opportunity to expand on it. I think many people missed the main thrust taking it merely for a nice joke.

Joking aside, what I realized and wanted to express was that now there is a sufficient quantity of people having recognized the transformative role that naiveté plays in their actualism practice and actualized it in their lives, there is a contagious atmosphere which even more actualists can benefit from.

Here is a private feedback I received yesterday, within the hour of publishing –

“By the way, a great report on the contagious virus. :slight_smile: (…) Until just before starting to read it, I was actually feeling a bit serious/ sombre due to an ongoing digestive discomfort. But half-way through reading it, something changed – all the while the physical discomfort was still happening, I started feeling better, becoming more sensuous and appreciating it all. There was a long-held assumption that I had to be physically healthy in order to move forward in actualism, but this assumption was finally put to rest.”

I invite everyone to read the various member’s reports in the post to Ian again with open eyes and a receptive attitude.

There is indeed a psychic network which can play a beneficial role in spreading the felicitous and innocuous feeling including naiveté around the globe. (It also answers Kuba’s question if ‘I’ am indeed “meaningless”). This is not fantasy but very real, just as real as ‘me’.

The key to naiveté is sincerity. Naiveté opens the door to pure intent and thus to more enjoyment and appreciation. It eases the way to dealing with occurring obstacles and it makes life and the whole actualism process fun, and it is essential for eventually allowing one going out-from-control. “Naiveté located betwixt the core of being and the sexual centre (where one is both likeable and liking) – is attached as if with a golden thread or clew to the purity of actual innocence” (link). And it is contagious. Being naiveté itself, as a state of being is the most wonderful way of being alive whilst ‘getting ready’ for the ultimate step. Viz.:

Richard: “To be naïveté itself (i.e., naïveté embodied as a childlike persona with adult sensibilities), which is to be the closest one can to innocence whilst remaining a ‘self’ (innocence is where ‘self’ is not), one is both likeable and liking for herewith lies tenderness and/or sweetness and togetherness and/or closeness whereupon moment-to-moment experiencing is of traipsing through the world about in a state of wide-eyed wonder and amazement as if a child again (guileless, artless, ingenuous, innocuous) – yet with adult sensibilities whereby the distinction betwixt being naïve and being gullible is readily separable – simply marvelling at the sheer magnificence of this oh-so-material universe’s absoluteness and unabashedly delighting in its boundless beneficence, its limitless largesse, as being the experiencing is inherently cornucopian (due to the near-absence of agency which ensues when the controlling doer is abeyant and the naïve beer is ascendant), with a blitheness and a gaiety such that the likelihood of the magical fairy-tale-like nature of this paradisaical terraqueous globe, this bounteously verdant and azure planet, becoming ever-so-sweetly apparent, as an experiential actuality, is almost always imminent.” (Tooltip, A Clay-Pit Tale)

As for felicitous, innocuous and naïve feelings being contagious as psychic vibes, here is a possible scenario for you –

Richard: I cannot stress enough how, with a [methodological] virtual freedom being more or less the norm worldwide, global amity and equity would be an on-going state of affairs’. (Library, Topics, Virtual Freedom).

Cheers Vineeto

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Just wanted to say, Vineeto, that I experienced a deep shift while reading that post. It’s my favorite thing I’ve read in a while on these forums and while I reacted with a laughing face its only because I couldn’t include multiple reactions to a single post (I tried a few). :grin:

But I really have felt the collective momentum that in my own experience is best described as a confidence that no matter what happens feeling good is the response that makes sense. Constantly seeing that mirrored back by everyone’s own unique and intelligent perspective is majorly helpful to fuel this confidence, although the ultimate fuel for it is the positive feedback of seeing how the more I have that confidence the better things get.

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Hunter: Just wanted to say, Vineeto, that I experienced a deep shift while reading that post. It’s my favorite thing I’ve read in a while on these forums and while I reacted with a laughing face its only because I couldn’t include multiple reactions to a single post (I tried a few).

But I really have felt the collective momentum that in my own experience is best described as a confidence that no matter what happens feeling good is the response that makes sense. Constantly seeing that mirrored back by everyone’s own unique and intelligent perspective is majorly helpful to fuel this confidence, although the ultimate fuel for it is the positive feedback of seeing how the more I have that confidence the better things get.

Hi Hunter,

Thank you for your thoughtful feedback. It’s great news that you get so much confidence from the “collective momentum” on this list. After all, feeling beings are gregarious beings and respond to other people’s feelings and vibes. Now there is a choice for sharing felicitous and innocuous feelings and vibes, and simultaneously improve your own capacity for more enjoyment and appreciation by choosing to feel good in every situation.

Also, it is marvellous that you derive your “ultimate fuel” from “the positive feedback of seeing how the more I have that confidence the better things get”.

Have you considered tapping into pure intent via rememoration of your most outstanding PCE? Unless you have already done so, this will give you an even more reliable source of confidence, it being the final arbiter that you are on the right track as well as continuous inspiration and a constantly available guide for increasing naïveté in a real world of serious sophisticates.

In any case, it is great to see that so many people are experiencing naiveté in one form or another now and it can only get better and more fun and enjoyment. Let us hear more of your exploits, it is always appreciated when someone shares their success with actualism.

Cheers Vineeto

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Yes I found this fascinating and was actually discussing this with @Sonyaxx yesterday. That this spread of naiveté via the psychic network is not some possibility or theory. Rather as you have pointed out that it has already happened, somewhat unbeknownst to those ‘affected’.

It did make me wonder at the implications of what we are all doing, it made me think back to a story Richard wrote about, of the cafe worker who equally unbeknownst to ‘her’ entered an excellence experience whilst enjoying a back and forth with one of Richard’s associates.

How ‘her’ being changed in line with the felicity and innocuity and ‘she’ didn’t even clock that the shift had occurred. And how equally one day the same will happen when actual freedom from the human condition spread’s en masse. That the rest of the population may not know that something has happened, it would have seemed like it was always like this, and yet sorrow and malice will be nowhere to be found ever again.

This came about as we were discussing various power plays that revolve around authority and the hierarchy. I was trying to explain that it is no use to “seem unbothered” when finding oneself in a power struggle with an authority. What is much more useful to discover is that there is indeed a real power play happening. This power play has nothing to do with what ‘appears on the outside’ but rather happens via the psychic network and it is no use to pretend that it is not there.
The way to resolve issues with power and authority is to make a full exploration into that realm where it all plays out until the very belief in power and authority begins to wither.

There is indeed a psychic network which can play a beneficial role in spreading the felicitous and innocuous feeling including naiveté around the globe. (It also answers Kuba’s question if ‘I’ am indeed “meaningless”). This is not fantasy but very real, just as real as ‘me’.

So yes this settles the question around whether ‘my’ life is meaningless, and in fact I can already see this in my day to day life, that ‘I’ have an effect on ‘others’ simply by ‘being’ felicity and innocuity and by ‘being’ naiveté. I think ‘my’ feelings of meaninglessness were more to do with the fact that once ‘I’ dissolve ‘I’ would have never actually existed in the first place, but this seems like trying to concern ‘myself’ with something that is past ‘my’ pay grade.

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I have at times wondered at this, which is whether the instinctual programming (from which ‘I’ arise / which ‘I’ am) was born of pure intent also. Because life could not get to the point of apperceptive awareness otherwise. So whereas before I saw ‘me’ as like a bastard to a benevolent and benign universe, like ‘I’ was something that ultimately went wrong, but then I considered that it could not go any other way, that ‘I’ was indeed necessary to get life thus far, that this is all par for the course of perfection being able to experience itself. Then if this is the case then there is a gradient from inanimate matter to blind life to life capable of apperception and ‘I’ am a step on that gradient which is necessary. So seeing it in this way ‘I’ am not a mistake, and ‘I’ am not meaningless, it’s just that at this point ‘I’ am a gatekeeper to perfection for this flesh and blood body. To allow this flesh and blood body to live in perfection and purity would surely then be a full completion of ‘my’ task?

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This is such a wonderful thing to contemplate, ‘I’ can see that this is the burden that ‘I’ can now give up. ‘I’ am no longer needed but this doesn’t mean that ‘I’ am meaningless. What ‘I’ am as an instinctual ‘being’ was indeed necessary to get life thus far, that was ‘my’ job. But the thing is that this job has already been completed.

So ‘I’ am now just hanging around carrying what is an unnecessary burden. There is no more need for ‘me’, not because ‘I’ didn’t play any part but because ‘my’ job is already done.

Now it is just the case of seeing this fully, that ‘I’ can safely and with utter confidence pass over the baton to the perfection and purity, in fact this is already waaay overdue.

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Yes, exactly. The purpose has been completed but ‘I’ still continue.

It happens a lot in the human condition. For example, in the USA, the water supply in the city of Flint was highly contaminated in ~2015. The government insisted it was fine, but they were covering it up. Due to the efforts of a scientist, Mark Edwards, this contamination was exposed and the government was eventually forced to help. Edwards was a genuine hero.

Fast forward to later, when the water quality had actually improved and had been up to standards for two years. Activists and protesters continued to insist the water was bad, while Edwards used his same sincere scientific investigation abilities to conclude that it was now safe. Yet now he was painted as a pariah, an enemy! All for pointing out (presumably correctly) that the water was now safe! (source)

Yet the activists just took on the mantle that “the water is bad, we have to fix it” and were continuing despite the facts changing. This was an approach that was initially useful and brought results, but now was no longer necessary. So they didn’t have to keep doing it – but they did and now it’s become harmful.

Same with ‘me’. Whatever strategies and whatever I did to bring me up to this point, I can’t really castigate it as being useless or a waste of time or whatever. It brought me to where I am now! I need a different strategy now to continue, but that doesn’t mean the past didn’t ‘work’. It did work, and now that it worked I do something else for the next step (although the basic method is still the same, enjoy and appreciate being alive!)

Similarly with launching a rocket, you need the booster to get it off the ground, but once the booster is depleted it would be silly to keep lugging it around as you go to higher orbit, it is sensible to discard it when it’s no longer needed.

So indeed, ‘I’ as the ‘human condition’ with ‘my’ millions of years of evolution up to this point was very effective at bringing humanity to its powerful, worldwide flourishing civilization of 8 billion strong. But now ‘I’ am just getting in the way of the next phase, the peace on earth phase, wherein every inhabitant will be living in a state of constant wide-eyed wonder and amazement… what a world that it can be! And we are the pioneers, it is up to us to take these next steps and broaden the path for those that will follow after us. What a wonderful thing for me to do, what a thing for me to put all my energy into to eventuate!

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Just to address this briefly – when I wrote that “Putting it together with today it is that being free would be a guarantee that I will only do what is sensible – which is wonderful” I see that I improperly mixed two different insights that on their own I think are more sensible :smile:

The first one was that, although I can choose to do anything including things that make no sense – it only makes sense to do that subset of things that is sensible. So choosing between silly and sensible is already restricting the full range of what ‘I’ do, in a sense – but not restricting as in by moral fiat, but rather because it’s willingly only doing those things that make sense! So in this way, to be actually free would not be a moral imposition, as by becoming free I lose the ability to do a lot of silly things indeed (like become upset, angry, and irate), but this is not a loss because it doesn’t make sense to do those things anyway.

The second one was, on a later day, while naivete was a bit far and I was approaching finding that basic resentment, that although it was not appealing to me to enjoy and be naive at that moment (!), nevertheless it was appealing to me to no longer be malicious or sorrowful. That was something worthwhile to pursue, from where I was at that point I genuinely wanted that. And I saw that to become actually free would be a guarantee that malice and sorrow would never come back – and I wanted that guarantee!

Of course being in a much more naive way now, it makes abundant sense and is very appealing to enjoy and appreciate and not just stop being malicious and sorrowful :grin:

I see why you responded the way you did when I said “being free would be a guarantee that I will only do what is sensible” – what a lacklustre goal indeed :laughing:

That being said I appreciate the quotes you presented anyway, that I now re-present here:

It is indeed far more than just no longer being malicious and sorrowful. One could call that the ‘negative’ aspect, in that malice and sorrow will be absent. But there is also the luxuriously wondrous ‘positive’ aspect, of what will be present, namely – actual perfection, excellence, goodwill, sagacity, magnificence, sensual delight, happiness and harmlessness, peace, benignity and benevolence, generosity of character, pure contemplation, actual intimacy, pure intimacy, kindliness, gentleness, harmlessness, propitiousness.

It is truly wondrous to contemplate and to be on this path :hibiscus:

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Claudiu: A lot of what I have been up to seems to be to try to sneakily get around this requirement, like maybe a part of ‘me’ can keep going and then only most of ‘me’ will go away. But, that is not so.

Vineeto: Ha, including ‘Claudiu’s’ sensibleness? As in –

Claudiu: Putting it together with today it is that being free would be a guarantee that I will only do what is sensible – which is wonderful. (link)

Vineeto: It might have to make way to share the stage when “naivete ramped up to 1000%” wants to play its part. (link)

Claudiu: Just to address this briefly – when I wrote that “Putting it together with today it is that being free would be a guarantee that I will only do what is sensible – which is wonderful” I see that I improperly mixed two different insights that on their own I think are more sensible
The first one was that, although I can choose to do anything including things that make no sense – it only makes sense to do that subset of things that is sensible. So choosing between silly and sensible is already restricting the full range of what ‘I’ do, in a sense – but not restricting as in by moral fiat, but rather because it’s willingly only doing those things that make sense! So in this way, to be actually free would not be a moral imposition, as by becoming free I lose the ability to do a lot of silly things indeed (like become upset, angry, and irate), but this is not a loss because it doesn’t make sense to do those things anyway.
The second one was, on a later day, while naivete was a bit far and I was approaching finding that basic resentment, that although it was not appealing to me to enjoy and be naive at that moment (!), nevertheless it was appealing to me to no longer be malicious or sorrowful. That was something worthwhile to pursue, from where I was at that point I genuinely wanted that. And I saw that to become actually free would be a guarantee that malice and sorrow would never come back – and I wanted that guarantee!

Hi Claudiu,

Yes, that makes perfect sense, especially that you wanted the “guarantee that malice and sorrow would never come back”, which had prevented naiveté coming to the fore again.

The sagacity of clear assessments of what is silly and what is sensible has indeed brought you to the point where you are now, the jumping-off point. As you said in the previous post to Kuba –

Kuba: What ‘I’ am as an instinctual ‘being’ was indeed necessary to get life thus far, that was ‘my’ job. But the thing is that this job has already been completed.

Claudiu: Yes, exactly. The purpose has been completed but ‘I’ still continue. (link)

However, something else is now required to complete the journey into the unknown, else ‘I’ will fill the gap with more puzzles to be solved via silly and sensible options. That something is what you described as “like naiveté ramped up to 1000%”, (link) which, being non-serious, is easily able to sweep out all possible cobwebs of objections with a giggle and a light-hearted laughter. Viz.:

Geoffrey: But there was a last second resistance: My precious! I will not give away my precious!
Later on the way back, I was thinking about this ‘precious’ thing, how only here on this tiny planet right now there are 7 billion people just as ‘unique’ and ‘precious’ as my self, when it clicked… and I burst into laughter. This was simply hilarious. Everybody is so precious. I must then be SO precious hahaha. […].
There was the actual world just right there in front of me, obviously existing, pure and perfect, and then there was ‘me’, ‘humanity’. The contrast was simply hilarious. I can’t describe how hilarious this contrast was. What we’ve all been doing forever and ever, on a ridiculous parade of malice and sorrow, with the greatest seriousness. (link)

All I am suggesting is to shift the focus. Interestingly enough, the only antonym to ‘sensible’ from Oxford Languages is ‘foolish’, and being naïve can easily be conflated with feeling foolish, and yet this very ‘feeling foolish’ can open the door to even more naiveté. It also means not being serious, being artless, guileless and ingenuous, like a child again without being gullible. This naiveté, because it “is attached as if with a golden thread or clew to the purity of actual innocence” (link) will draw you inevitably to “becoming the manifestation of this innocence here on earth”. (link)

Of course, it does not mean that being sensible is superfluous or non-existent in actuality. However, once you are innocent, i.e. free from malice and sorrow, making the distinction between silly and sensible is rarely required. It’s all rather obvious.(1)

Claudiu: It is truly wondrous to contemplate and to be on this path.

It is equally truly wondrous to be witness to your walking this path to freedom. Only few people have been so forthcoming and eloquent with ongoing reports about their journey, and it is delightful to read each one of them.

Cheers Vineeto

(1) Footnote: the persistence of any remnants of the social identity will require further sagacity to dismantle “this aeriform socio-cultural persona”. (link).

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I wanted to re-post this in my journal here as it might portend some wondrous and magical happenings soon-to-come indeed!

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