Kuba: There was 2 more things that came of all this. Firstly it does look like something clicked, because later on when I read back that post, and I read the part where I still believed it was some noble “inspiring through excellence” I had very much this sense of “how could I have been such a fool to believe this”.
But then there has been this other feeling pop up, this one Andrew knows well. That sometime after, like an attack out of nowhere, this feeling of “what on earth have I just written, what if I am completely wrong, off by a mile. Have I just made an utter fool of myself, have I just demonstrated my complete lack of understanding of the actualism method” etc.
I know this feeling well because I have experienced it many times writing so much, and I guess so far I have kind of accepted it as par for the course of looking to expose ‘myself’. But really I would much rather be without it. Of course I will be wrong about many things yet to come but why does it have to be such a drama every time? This one has dogged me for a while now and would certainly like to get to the bottom of it. (link)
Hi Kuba,
Well, fact is that you have “just demonstrated my complete lack of understanding of the actualism method” and it hurts your pride of being an ‘accomplished actualist’. If it was sincerity, which moved you to reveal that fact (and not just an accidental ‘blunder’) then you can use this opportunity to clear the workbench and start afresh. You can also take note that this kind of pride-knocking sincerity puts you on the right track towards naiveté because being naïve is often accompanied by feeling foolish at the start – especially when pride holds a cherished and dominant position in one’s modus operandi –
Richard: The Human Condition is weird, so any dissolution of it is correspondingly weird. Also, your pride can begin to take a hammering, so watch out for the tendency to becoming humble to ameliorate your condition whilst you go through this process … else you may become enlightened.
You will not have an ounce of pride – or humility – left in you by the time it is all over. (Richard, List AF, Alan, 27 July 1998)
First a quote to clarify the terms associated with pride and its opposites –
JONATHAN: We had a useful theological and semantic discussion …
RICHARD: The semantic part of the discussion pertained to you saying the opposite of pride was embarrassment (see [Upload failed]Syd’s Report) – whereupon I pointed out that being humble (aka humility) is the more usual antonym – but given that humiliation and embarrassment are more or less synonymous it required what you characterise as a theological discussion to tease out differing connotations … to wit: the difference betwixt shame and guilt.
As a broad generalisation the feeling of shame (as in ignominy, disgrace, mortification, &c.) is more a public affair than private – whereas the feeling of guilt is more a private matter than public – and features mostly in eastern cultures (quite prominently, for instance, in China and Japan) rather than in western cultures where the feeling of guilt, being private, is conducive to the west’s emphasis on individuality over familiality (i.e., ‘the quality of being familial’ where familial means ‘of or relating to family’) … which is particularly obvious in Christian-based societies such as inhabit what is known as the Anglosphere. (Richard, List D, Jonathan, 4 Aug 2013).
Here Richard explains at length why pride and humility play such an important role in the human condition – and upon experiential investigation you eventually discover that they are both superfluous and silly to maintain –
Richard: All humility is nothing but the ego being very, very clever … it is but a product of a lost, lonely, frightened and very, very cunning entity called ego. One of the chief attributes of a freedom from a ‘self’ or a ‘Self’ and from believing in a ‘God’ and a ‘Greater Reality’, is a completeness … an absence of the need to control a wayward ‘I’ with moralistic injunctions. Personally I have no humility whatsoever and, of course, neither am I proud. In order to be free of the Human Condition one needs to see the place pride and humility plays in one’s life. ‘I’ am proud of ‘my’ major achievement – which is maintaining ‘myself’ as an identity – and ‘I’ will do anything but relinquish ‘my’ grip on this flesh-and-blood body … including humbling ‘myself’ before some God in order to ameliorate the pernicious effects of pride. However, humility is merely the antidote to pride … and they feed off each other, continuously. For example, one cannot but feel proud of one’s accomplishment of self-abasing humility … it is in the nature of the entity to do so. A humbled self is still a self, nonetheless, leaving one proud of one’s performance. When one realises how silly all this is; when one sees that pride and humility are standing in the way of freedom from all self-centred activity, something astounding occurs. The opposites vanish. I am simply here where I have always been … and pride, with its companion in arms, humility, has disappeared along with all the other feelings. I am free to be here now in the world as-it-is. Unadorned and unencumbered, I can stand on my own two feet, owing allegiance to no-one. (Richard, AF List, No. 4, 9 Jan 1999).
As such, in this situation, don’t just focus on the bad feeling – embarrassment, shame or humiliation – but use it as an indicator for the ‘good’ feeling of pride operating and recognize that it is pride, which stands in the way of you being more and more naïve, unsophisticated and ingenuous.
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Kuba: It looks like this is all beginning to outline the aspect of ‘me’ which is the culprit. I have written about ‘my’ narcissism before, but this is not quite it, maybe something like a vanity, the fact that ‘I’ derive ‘my’ good feelings from sitting atop some elevated position, which of course means there is always the fear of falling from the prideful place, the shame of not living up to a standard etc. There has always been a yearning to be free from this, to simply be a fellow human being, without the need to prove anything or to fear loosing some ‘position’.
What I see now is that this desire for excellence is actually underpinned by self-centricity, it’s like what Srinath wrote, that ‘I’ don’t care about the issues themselves, rather it is ‘I’ who needs to be verified and affirmed.
I see what Richard meant now when he wrote that “pride and humility are standing in the way of ceasing all self-centred activity”.
And the way I see it now is that it is for nothing ultimately, that ‘I’ make everything about ‘me’ for no justifiable reason at all, only to affirm ‘myself’. As Richard said ‘I’ have arrogated responsibility with demonstrably disastrous consequences.
And of course this is what ‘I’ do, as ‘I’ am a scared, lost, lonely and cunning psychic entity, that is why ‘I’ self-centrically turn everything into a tool to re-affirm ‘myself’, to gain some ‘security’ about ‘my’ existence. (link)
I wrote at the end of my last post to you –
Vineeto: Regarding “inspiring through excellence” – it is imitating the perfection of the universe when one aspires excellence, and beneficial when others are inspired to imitate this excellence, however, the moment ‘I’ take the credit and make it my own, it becomes dirty, it has power added to one’s expertise and excellence, and power over others is always ‘self’-serving and ‘self’-enhancing. (link)
Please don’t make the mistake of regarding the striving for excellence solely as a ‘self’-centric activity and decide to shun aspiring for excellence altogether (like “more than a few take this to be a general ‘rule of thumb’ applicable to all the affective feelings inclusive of the felicitous and innocuous affections” (see Richard, List D, Martin, #text: unendorsed). Rather remove with ruthless sincerity your ‘self’-enhancing feelings, such as pride, hubris, smugness, power and conceit from the pursuit of excellence. You can instead recognize that you have the ability, talent and motivation to achieve excellence in this field, thereby imitating the perfection and purity of the universe with its inherent benignity and benevolence as this flesh-and-blood body and thus inspire others to do the same if they are so inclined.
Why do you think Richard aspired to and succeeded in being a master of words, which can touch the sensitive reader to experience for themselves what he writes about, looking for new words, more precise descriptions for his reports and explanations, perfecting his writing style, responding to feed-back and making his writing public so prolifically?
Cheers Vineeto