Kub933's Journal

Vineeto: It looks to me that the only thing you need to realize, and then actualize, is to get your priorities right and everything will fall into place.

Kuba: Ah yes but it’s easier to scapegoat ‘my’ lack of priorities onto that ‘messiah’ identity and then fight ‘him’ instead That way ‘I’ can continue being a fraud and of course the accountability is shifted just ‘over there’.
What you wrote rings very true, I am not sure how these priorities will shift just yet but I can see that unless they do I am stuck “rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic”. (link)

Just to inserts some facts to your latest presented problem, I looked up “archetype of the ‘messiah” and here are a few descriptions –
• What is the Messiah complex disorder? – a mental state in which a person believes they are a messiah or prophet and will save or redeem people in a religious endeavour. The term can also refer to a state of mind in which an individual believes that they are responsible for saving others.
• What are the roles of the Messiah? – to unite people all over the world regardless of race, culture or religion.
• What trauma causes the savior complex? – They may be children who have experienced various traumas, abandonment.
• What is messianic Behaviour? – the desire and compulsion to redeem or save others or the world
• What is an example of a messianic archetype? – Messianic Archetype include All-Loving Hero, the Dark Messiah (the extreme Anti-Hero version), The Antichrist, the False Prophet (the lying scammer version), and the Anti-Anti-Christ. (source: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MessianicArchetype) {sic! Media-Tropes from comic books & films}
Can you sincerely say that any of the above answers applies to you? Are you perhaps getting a bit desperate to invent a problem for the pleasure of solving it? When I saw you write about the ‘Messianic Archetype’ I thought there were some learned Neo-Jungian psychologists expanding the field, but it’s not even seriously discussed in academia yet and still you try it on like a party costume :blush:. Perhaps gullibility is a more worthwhile topic of observation. Btw, did you know that the word ‘gullible’ is not in the dictionary?

Recently you said – “All this talk about progressing into full actual freedom is making it seem to me like I am still stuck playing a kids game.” (link) Will you be able to let priorities shift now perhaps?

Kuba: Perhaps seeing ‘oneself’ to be equally fraudulent is a little more difficult as it would entail immediate action, of ending ‘oneself’. That slight dissociation of ‘me’ vs ‘humanity’ can keep ‘me’ alive (as I have demonstrated in my above posts). Keeping ‘humanity’ as just slightly separate to ‘me’ allows ‘me’ to continue blaming ‘humanity’ whilst remaining a fraud ‘myself’. ‘I’ can then investigate ‘humanity’ as if it’s something different to ‘me’ and that in itself shows how fraudulent ‘I’ am! (link)

Well spotted.

Shashank: I was thinking if there is a core fraud at the level of the instinctual being itself.

Kuba: Yes I suspect it is fraudulence all the way through haha, in that ‘I’ don’t actually exist in the first place. But how useful this is for an entity who needs to allow their own extinction I am not sure. (link)

The reason why I drew attention to this fact of fraudulence recently is because this was a major factor for ‘Vineeto’ to agree, on a deep instinctual/feeling level, to ‘her’ increasingly inevitable demise.
The motivation for ‘self’-immolation needs to encompass all of ‘you’ at a deep level of ‘being’ for allowing it to happen, and when ‘I’ recognize and acknowledge that deep down ‘I’ experience ‘my’ job of ‘self’-preservation as a constant burden, and with no genuinely advantageous point to boot for continuing to carry that burden, then you, who wants to be free to be what you are have won a major ally.

Cheers Vineeto

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