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So I came across guilt recently, initially I got a bit railroaded by it, so to begin with I have been allowing myself to experience it fully without (psychically) moving in either direction. The guilt in question is this deep and fundamental feeling of culpability.

It was interesting re-reading some correspondence between Vineeto and Andrew on guilt. Vineeto’s suggestion that guilt likely exists intrinsically for all ‘beings’ and then the various authorities (such as religion) use this already existing guilt as a means of control.

When I was about 8 or so I had this dream which I still remember vividly. In the dream was this deep feeling of guilt and the dream narrative which sprung up around the feeling was that I had killed my father! In the dream I was utterly convinced that this is indeed what happened.

This demonstrates the situation well, that ‘I’ am guilty by virtue of ‘being’ and this feeling can easily be latched onto with various narratives. But the feeling of guilt comes first, because ‘I’ know just what ‘I’ am deep down.

And then in terms of what to do with guilt… I think the first step which I have been focusing on is correct, in that ‘I’ need to be open to experiencing this guilt, even if this is initially unsettling. Because only by daring to experience it fully can it go from this monster ‘over there’ to the recognition that it is ‘me’.

I do see the point which Richard made, that although ‘I’ am guilty at conception - as ‘I’ am the passions - that ‘I’ am not to be blamed for this situation existing in the first place. ‘I’ had no choice in being born as an instinctual ‘being’. Enjoyment and appreciation is the means to rectify the situation, and guilt is an obstacle to doing exactly that.

‘I’ am indeed culpable by virtue of ‘being’ and yet to do something, to eradicate the predicament that human beings are born into, ‘I’ need to give way for this guilt to be dissolved. Otherwise (as Richard wrote) ‘I’ am stuck going round via mea culpa, and the human condition continues on.

I can see why in the past ‘I’ took to the task of becoming the ‘perfect actualist’, it was an attempt to step around this guilt and receive some kind of absolution. But of course this is to miss the very point that ‘I’ am the human condition.

I am reminded of another one of Geoffrey’s creative posts :

RICHARD:I am full of admiration for the ‘me’ that dared to do such a thing. I owe all that I experience now to ‘me’. I salute ‘my’ audacity.

Geoffrey: Who is that ‘me’, if not humanity?
‘I’ am humanity. And as such, ‘my’ destiny can be achieved.
“Pleasant and wholesome” could become a refuge, a hiding place, for an individual ‘I’, a special ‘I’, fortified in dissociation from the dark soil of humanity by its acquired ‘actualist identity’.
If one is to be humanity, then nothing of humanity shall be foreign to one.
“The psyche is a frightful place” indeed.
What is it that Richard admires about ‘me’? Daring, and audacity.

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Kuba: So I came across guilt recently, initially I got a bit railroaded by it, so to begin with I have been allowing myself to experience it fully without (psychically) moving in either direction. The guilt in question is this deep and fundamental feeling of culpability. (…)
This demonstrates the situation well, that ‘I’ am guilty by virtue of ‘being’ and this feeling can easily be latched onto with various narratives. But the feeling of guilt comes first, because ‘I’ know just what ‘I’ am deep down.
And then in terms of what to do with guilt… I think the first step which I have been focusing on is correct, in that ‘I’ need to be open to experiencing this guilt, even if this is initially unsettling. Because only by daring to experience it fully can it go from this monster ‘over there’ to the recognition that it is ‘me’.
I do see the point which Richard made, that although ‘I’ am guilty at conception – as ‘I’ am the passions – that ‘I’ am not to be blamed for this situation existing in the first place. ‘I’ had no choice in being born as an instinctual ‘being’. Enjoyment and appreciation is the means to rectify the situation, and guilt is an obstacle to doing exactly that.
‘I’ am indeed culpable by virtue of ‘being’ and yet to do something, to eradicate the predicament that human beings are born into, ‘I’ need to give way for this guilt to be dissolved. Otherwise (as Richard wrote) ‘I’ am stuck going round via mea culpa, and the human condition continues on.
I can see why in the past ‘I’ took to the task of becoming the ‘perfect actualist’, it was an attempt to step around this guilt and receive some kind of absolution. But of course this is to miss the very point that ‘I’ am the human condition. (link)

Hi Kuba,

I found something in feeling being ‘Vineeto’s’ correspondence ‘she’ wrote in 2002 which you might relate to –

‘Vineeto’: I always wondered what produces sincere intent to be happy and harmless because it greatly puzzled me that some people seem to have more of it than others. I discovered that my own sincere intent to become free from the human condition consists of two main ingredients – one is the memory of a pure consciousness experience and the other is the awareness and acknowledgement of my inherent guilt for being a ‘being’ and the subsequent determination to do whatever is needed to become guilt-less – innocent.
Most people I met and talked to in my life were more interested in getting rid of fear which is, next to guilt, the other major side-effect of being a ‘being’. However, I found the pursuit of fearlessness an extremely ‘self’-ish and ‘self’-centred affair, given that feeling fearless only benefits and enhances one’s ‘self’ and is not concerned with bringing an end to human malice and sorrow.
In contrast, the pursuit of innocence – the determination to eliminate the root cause of guilt – is intrinsically altruistic in that I recognize that being a ‘being’ inevitably contributes to the misery and mayhem of human beings. And it is this altruistic, ‘self’-less, component of one’s intent that will ensure the success of becoming free from ‘self’.
So you see, your description of ‘unfettered happiness’ triggered an understanding as to why my spiritual pursuit of happiness through fearlessness was bound to lead only to dissociation and self-aggrandizement. However, when I stopped sticking my head in the sand, when I started to take a clear-eyed look at what’s going on in the world and finally dared to acknowledge and become aware of my guilt inherent to being a ‘being’ did I begin to fuel the sincere intent that is so essential for the process of becoming free from the human condition. (Vineeto, AF List, No. 38c, 20.8.2002)

I remember that for ‘Vineeto’ this guilt of ‘being’ was particularly prevalent at times when ‘she’ was aware of procrastination, and it only fully disappeared when ‘she’ went out-from-under-control because then it was obvious that ‘she’ had stepped on the one-way runway towards actual freedom.

Not shoving guilt into the background is certainly a good idea, and then make it your ally ‘to keep you honest’, as they say, about proceeding to your ultimate goal.

As Geoffrey says, “Daring, and audacity”.

Cheers Vineeto

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Hi Vineeto,

Thank you for the correspondence from ‘Vineeto’, I do relate and I never quite saw it from that angle. It reminds me of what Richard wrote, that suffering is the universe’s way of telling one that one has gone astray… Well equally that guilt of ‘being’ is a sign that ‘I’ am procrastinating with regards to proceeding towards the final goal, ‘I’ am saving ‘myself’ for just a little longer.

It is when ‘I’ am statically in place that this guilt is apparent. I remember this specifically because couple of days ago I entered a period where everything was dynamic, and in that dynamism there was no guilt at all, firstly because there was only felicity and innocuity on ‘my’ side but also because there was the solid experience that in this very direction is the final destination, and ‘I’ was dynamically allowing a movement towards it. So essentially ‘I’ am guilty at ‘being’ when ‘I’ know that ‘I’ am statically remaining in place, and then merely rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic.

I notice I have a tendency to do this, that I proceed towards new territory but then I want to stick around on this new plateau, pick up what is left of ‘my’ life and play with that a little longer - that is when the guilt comes.

So yes this guilt is like a red flashing light that ‘I’ am once again static, and saving ‘myself’ for a little longer.

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Hi Kuba,

You are welcome.

Now that it is established what the guilt signifies, is there anything else, apart from “a tendency” “to stick around”, preventing you from proceeding “towards new territory”?

Cheers Vineeto

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Hi Vineeto,

I was thinking about your question intently today as to not reply with a furphy.

It looks that ‘I’ don’t want to be seen/exposed/revealed. Remaining some semblance of control ‘I’ can cover up ‘my’ tracks so to speak.

It’s like ‘I’ am holding in a very dirty secret, and that secret is to do with ‘my’ very ‘being’. And to proceed into the new territory is to allow for that ‘dirty secret’ to be freely revealed / penetrated into.

And to allow that to happen is to begin the process where ‘I’ unravel.

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[quote=“Kub933, post:2320, topic:467, full:true”]
Hi Vineeto,
I was thinking about your question intently today as to not reply with a furphy.
It looks that ‘I’ don’t want to be seen/exposed/revealed. Remaining some semblance of control ‘I’ can cover up ‘my’ tracks so to speak.
It’s like ‘I’ am holding in a very dirty secret, and that secret is to do with ‘my’ very ‘being’. And to proceed into the new territory is to allow for that ‘dirty secret’ to be freely revealed / penetrated into.
And to allow that to happen is to begin the process where ‘I’ unravel.
(link) [/quote]

Hi Kuba,

Yes, that is exactly it – “that secret is to do with ‘my’ very ‘being’” . It is not an easy secret to accept and embrace, and yet it is the very cause for human beings’ suffering, which all the religions and spiritual traditions have exploited to assert their authority and power over millennia via this guilt. Of no fault of one’s own everyone is ‘born in sin’ or ‘guilty at conception’ via the instinctual survival passions and the identity formed thereof. Richard has a catalogue collection on that topic that might be informative. He also said that –

[Respondent]: ‘Who decides what is ‘personally insalubrious’ and ‘socially reprehensible’?
[Richard]: ‘Not ‘who’ … peace-on-earth decides, each moment again, and relentlessly brings the wayward ego and compliant soul face-to-face with its own culpability, each moment again, for being the progenitor of all the ills of humankind. (…) The pristine nature of peace-on-earth is impeccable … nothing dirty can get in. (Richard, List C, No. 1, 9 Mar 2000)

It is for the sake of peace-on-earth that one embraces one’s “own culpability” as a fact to allow “that ‘dirty secret’ to be freely revealed/ penetrated into” and to embrace it fully as being ‘me’.

Doing so, feeling being ‘Vineeto’ experienced a gradually increasing awareness and intensity regarding ‘her’ yearning for oblivion.

This way the full awareness of the ramifications of being ‘guilty at conception’ becomes the most powerful ally for your destiny – to foster ‘my’ abdication so that innocence can prevail.

Cheers Vineeto

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Hi Vineeto,

Thank you for your reply and your continued assistance for us all on this forum. When I read your reply yesterday I was thinking about how many various layers of ‘me’ and various diversions set up by ‘me’ had to be addressed before ‘I’ could even begin to admit to this “secret”, and to embrace it as ‘me’. It’s like ‘I’ created a maze for ‘myself’ so that that core of ‘my’ being would avert being seen. And it took enormous persistence and ever growing sincerity to manoeuvre this.

I know that I am proceeding in the correct direction lately because ‘I’ am proceeding as a whole. And I see now back when ‘I’ was experiencing the “unpalatable resistance” it was because ‘I’ was split in 2, and the wall that ‘I’ was running into (which would push ‘me’ back more the harder ‘I’ ran) was also ‘me’.

So ‘I’ am no longer split, and now ‘I’ am beginning to dare to allow ‘myself’ to be seen at the core of ‘my’ being. It’s fascinating because deep inside there is a cyclone, and ‘I’ am those very swirling passions. And in normal perception it is ‘I’ as those passions/that cyclone looking ‘out’ and projecting those very dramas which are raging inside / which are ‘me’, out into the world - that is the real world. So in the real world is where ‘I’ play out the dramas which are but an ‘outer’ projection/manifestation of ‘me’ as a passionate being. And any drama will do as long as attention can be cast away from that cyclone and out into the real world, away from the core of ‘my’ being. So long story short ‘me’ at the core of ‘my’ being is never seen.

The above was a bit of a laboured point but it is because the way ‘I’ am being seen lately is that it is no longer ‘me’ projecting attention from ‘inside-out’, rather ‘I’ as that cyclone am seen in ‘my’ totality. And then it is seen that ‘I’ (as a passionate entity) can never know rest, as ‘I’ am that very swirling motion of the passions.

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Hi Kuba,

Isn’t is amazing how it all makes sense in hindsight, how important for instance being a friend to yourself really is, to embrace all the unpalatable feelings as ‘me’, so that you can finally be “proceeding as a whole”. This description is so significant, it should be framed and hung on everyone’s wall.

The way ‘I’ operate, being formed of the instinctual passions, is to keep the conflict in motion and the most efficient way to do this is to “split in 2”, or more, apparently opposing fractions. The best way to spoil this ‘survival-of-‘me’-game’ is to embrace any of the pushed-away feelings and dare to embrace each as ‘me’. Then you can proceed “as a whole”. Then something astounding happens, you can chose being ‘me’ as a felicitous feeling instead of the previous unpalatable feeling – intelligence wins and this aspect of the human condition loses.

As you say, it sometimes takes “enormous persistence and ever growing sincerity” but once you have the knack it becomes increasingly easy.

Kuba: So ‘I’ am no longer split, and now ‘I’ am beginning to dare to allow ‘myself’ to be seen at the core of ‘my’ being. It’s fascinating because deep inside there is a cyclone, and ‘I’ am those very swirling passions. And in normal perception it is ‘I’ as those passions/ that cyclone looking ‘out’ and projecting those very dramas which are raging inside / which are ‘me’, out into the world – that is the real world. So in the real world is where ‘I’ play out the dramas which are but an ‘outer’ projection/ manifestation of ‘me’ as a passionate being. And any drama will do as long as attention can be cast away from that cyclone and out into the real world, away from the core of ‘my’ being. So long story short ‘me’ at the core of ‘my’ being is never seen.
The above was a bit of a laboured point but it is because the way ‘I’ am being seen lately is that it is no longer ‘me’ projecting attention from ‘inside-out’, rather ‘I’ as that cyclone am seen in ‘my’ totality. And then it is seen that ‘I’ (as a passionate entity) can never know rest, as ‘I’ am that very swirling motion of the passions. (link)

Knowing that “‘I’ am that very swirling motion of the passions” there is one more step – having solved the mystery you can now wrest your fascinated (still ‘self’-centric) attention away from “‘me’ at the core of ‘my’ being” (like from a thrilling movie) and look around. There is an already existing actual world, existing totally independent of ‘me’ and ‘my’ passions.

Having nothing to hide, you can now allow yourself to be naïve in the world as it is with people as they are. The very reason to discover ‘me’ at the core has always been, as I understood you, to get closer to the actual world, to imitate the actual and ultimately to be naiveté. Now you have the choice.

Cheers Vineeto

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Hahah that’s brilliant! Now that I see I am guilty no-matter-what, just for being-a-feeling-being (“rotten to the core” in actualism lingo) then there’s nothing to do, except for, allow the actualism process to unfold such as to eventuate my self-immolation :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

It’s very straightforward how there’s a problem (I am rotten to the core), and then once seen, the obvious solution :joy:. What would normally make the ‘problem’ hard to see is there being no solution… but there is one! A very simple one too haha

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Hi Claudiu,

To pre-empt anyone misunderstanding your summary description of that you “see I am guilty no-matter-what, just for being-a-feeling-being”, lest it be taken as merely a rational understanding (a concept) and not an experiential in-depth insight and actualisation (traversing the territory, so to speak), let me just reinsert what prompted me to write to Kuba –

Vineeto: “… there is one more step – having solved the mystery you can now wrest your fascinated (still ‘self’-centric) attention away from “‘me’ at the core of ‘my’ being” (like from a thrilling movie) and look around.” (link)

Here is how Kuba described his experience –

Kuba: I know that I am proceeding in the correct direction lately because ‘I’ am proceeding as a whole. And I see now back when ‘I’ was experiencing the “unpalatable resistance” it was because ‘I’ was split in 2, and the wall that ‘I’ was running into (which would push ‘me’ back more the harder ‘I’ ran) was also ‘me’. (link)

In other words, via fascinated attention he has successfully identified and stopped in its track the common habit of putting aside, pushing away or rationalising any unpleasant/ unwanted/ disagreeable feelings each time they occurred, and thus is now able to fully experience and embrace those feelings as ‘me’ – “proceeding as a whole”.

As such he is able to say –

Kuba: So ‘I’ am no longer split, and now ‘I’ am beginning to dare to allow ‘myself’ to be seen at the core of ‘my’ being. (link)

This daring “to be seen at the core of ‘my’ being”, this utter sincerity of who ‘I’ am, is the key to naiveté. So when you say you “see I am guilty no-matter-what, just for being-a-feeling-being” this insight can relieve the guilt for being a feeling ‘being’ – for ‘Vineeto’ it fuelled her sincere intent to ‘get it done sooner rather than later’, but ‘she’ still had to identify and fully embrace all the other feelings whenever they stood in the way of unrestricted enjoyment and appreciation of each moment of being alive.

Perhaps your statement that “then there’s nothing to do, except for, allow the actualism process to unfold” is a bit premature? Of course, only you can know if in the course of the day/ the week/ the month you have nothing at all to hide, and naïveté can unfold without impediment.

Claudiu: It’s very straightforward how there’s a problem (I am rotten to the core), and then once seen, the obvious solution. What would normally make the ‘problem’ hard to see is there being no solution… but there is one! A very simple one too haha (link)

Ha, it is “very straightforward” in theory and many actualists are aware of this – but is it “very simple” in reality?

But then, your insight that “I am rotten to the core” could have struck so deeply that it removed any obstacle/ objection to going “blessedly into oblivion” – this would be truly wonderful.

What you are indicating with your use of the term “actualism process” – unless I misunderstand you – is that you are now in a “different-way-of being” (an ongoing EE) –

Richard to Claudiu: As for your query regarding how the intimacy experience (IE) differs from an excellence experience (EE): qualitatively they are much the same, or similar, insofar as with both experiences there is a near-absence of agency – the beer rather than the doer is the operant – whereupon naïveté has come to the fore, such as to effect the marked diminishment of separation, and the main distinction is that the IE is more people-oriented, while the EE tends to be environmental in its scope.
In other words, with an EE the ‘aesthetic experience’ feature, for instance, or its ‘nature experience’ aspect, for example, tends to be more prominent, whilst with an IE the ‘fellowship experience’ characteristic, for instance, or its ‘convivial experience’ quality, for example, comes to the fore. In either type of near-PCE – wherein the experiencing is of ‘my’ life living itself, with a surprising sumptuosity, rather than ‘me’ living ‘my’ life, quite frugally by comparison, and where this moment is living ‘me’ (instead of ‘me’ trying to live ‘in the moment’) – the diminishment of separation is so astonishing as to be as-if incomprehensible/ unbelievable yet it is the imminence of a fellow human’s immanence (‘the state or condition of existing or operating within’ or ‘existing or remaining within; inherent’ or ‘remaining within; indwelling; inherent’) which, in and of itself, emphases the distinction the most.
For instance, the degree of intimacy experienced with minera, flora and fauna upon strolling through some botanical gardens with either near-PCE occurring – as in, with rocks, trees and birds, for example – is to the same gradation as when in a social setting such as a typical sitting room situation (as in, with ashtrays, flowers and humans, for instance) yet it is the ‘fellow human being’ element which exemplifies the already astounding diminishment of separation which ensues upon the blessed onset of this near-innocent intimacy of naïveté.
And that latter point – the felicitous advent of naïve intimacy – is another way the IE differs from the EE inasmuch if a near-PCE is initiated via intensive interaction with a fellow human being/ with fellow human beings it takes on the properties of an intimacy experience (IE) whereas if the near-PCE is triggered via interacting intensively with the world at large (as in, an aesthetic experience, a nature experience, a contemplative experience, for example) it takes on the properties of an excellence experience (EE).
The role they play in an out-from-control/ different-way-of-being virtual freedom (entitled ‘The Dynamic, Destinal Virtual Freedom’ on that web page to distinguish it from the still-in-control/ same-way-of-being virtual freedom entitled ‘The Pragmatic, Methodological Virtual Freedom’) is, essentially, in enabling the actualism process to take over.
In effect, the actualism process is what ensues when one gets out from being under control, via having given oneself prior permission to have one’s life live itself (i.e., sans the controlling doer), and a different way of being comes about (i.e., where the beer is the operant) – whereupon a thrilling out-from-control momentum takes over and an inevitability sets in – whereafter there is no pulling back (hence the reluctance in having it set in motion) as once begun it is nigh-on unstoppable.
Then one is in for the ride of a lifetime! (Richard, List D, Claudiu4, #innocence)

Cheers Vineeto

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Hi Vineeto,

Yes, it’s more that this experiential realization allows me to see and fully embrace all of the ‘unwanted’ parts of ‘me’, because there is no reason to try to defend ‘myself’ any more (as I have now fully accepted that I am rotten-to-the-core/guilty no matter what). It makes it all a lot easier!!

And much more fun.

I would say there’s still impediments but it’s just remarkably easy to work through them now… I have a much more global-type-level view and it’s easy to see how silly it all is. Like, being hard on myself / pushing myself work-wise.. why do this self-antagonizing motion? What am I trying to prove? To whom? Even if I accomplish work goals X Y and Z, today instead of tomorrow – I will still be inherently-guilty, this will not resolve the problem of the human condition. Accepting the latter allows me to see it all almost instantly.

I have definitely had the rational thought many times “Oh yes I see, I am rotten to the core”, but it’s different now, it’s like it sunk ‘all the way through’ and now I feel that it is the case, all the way through with all of me.

Haha, maybe impossible in reality but straightforward in actuality? Or maybe this is word games lol.

By my use of actualism process I was referring to different-way-of-being out-from-control – but I wasn’t saying I am living that, rather that it’s clear (as a realization) that that is the only way to actually solve the problem (of me being rotten-to-the-core). Nothing else will solve it.

I am not sure I would know I am out from control if it ehh hit me like a truck (to use a colloquialism) given my abysmal track record there haha. I am gonna surmise I’ll only be confident saying it in hindsight post-self-immolation.. but we shall see. In any case, certainly objections and impediments remain, and ongoing experience is not automatically like the best of the EEs I have experienced.

Cheers,
Claudiu

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Hi Claudiu,

Thank you for your detailed explanatory reply. It certainly makes life a lot easier (and “much more fun”) when you no longer feel guilty/ blame yourself for who you are – it allows you to be more and more genuine and naked (having nothing to hide and everything openly on display). It is utterly delightful to be that way.

Vineeto: Perhaps your statement that “then there’s nothing to do, except for, allow the actualism process to unfold” is a bit premature? Of course, only you can know if in the course of the day/ the week/ the month you have nothing at all to hide, and naïveté can unfold without impediment.

Claudiu: I would say there’s still impediments but it’s just remarkably easy to work through them now… I have a much more global-type-level view and it’s easy to see how silly it all is. Like, being hard on myself / pushing myself work-wise… why do this self-antagonizing motion? What am I trying to prove? To whom? Even if I accomplish work goals X Y and Z, today instead of tomorrow – I will still be inherently-guilty, this will not resolve the problem of the human condition. Accepting the latter allows me to see it all almost instantly.
I have definitely had the rational thought many times “Oh yes I see, I am rotten to the core”, but it’s different now, it’s like it sunk ‘all the way through’ and now I feel that it is the case, all the way through with all of me.

This is great to read that you “feel that it is the case, all the way through with all of me”. Now you experience the full meaning of being a friend to yourself – it’s amazing how deep the insight needs to be to truly bring this about –

Richard: … ‘he’ was particularly struck by the experiential fact of finally being likeable (albeit a likeable persona mind you), and, thusly, a liker of ‘his’ fellow human beings also as they too were (potentially) likeable as well. (A Clay-Pit Tale)

Vineeto: But then, your insight that “I am rotten to the core” could have struck so deeply that it removed any obstacle/ objection to going “blessedly into oblivion” – this would be truly wonderful.
What you are indicating with your use of the term “actualism process” – unless I misunderstand you – is that you are now in a “different-way-of being” (an ongoing EE) – (snipped Richard’s quote)

Claudiu: By my use of actualism process I was referring to different-way-of-being out-from-control – but I wasn’t saying I am living that, rather that it’s clear (as a realization) that that is the only way to actually solve the problem (of me being rotten-to-the-core). Nothing else will solve it.
I am not sure I would know I am out from control if it ehh hit me like a truck (to use a colloquialism) given my abysmal track record there haha. I am gonna surmise I’ll only be confident saying it in hindsight post-self-immolation… but we shall see. In any case, certainly objections and impediments remain, and ongoing experience is not automatically like the best of the EEs I have experienced.

Thank you for explaining that. And allowing the actualism process to unfold will be giving permission to be more and more naïve whenever you remember to do so, a gentle, sometimes quiet way of being – it does require your active intention because moving towards minimizing ‘me’ and its concomitant ‘self’-centricity, and towards letting the universe live you, is nevertheless contrary to one’s original natural survival instincts – until the very enjoyment and wide-eyed wonder together with the impelling influence of pure intent become so compelling that you wouldn’t want to be anything else.

Cheers Vineeto

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Hi Vineeto, and Claudiu :slightly_smiling_face:,

So I have been looking into all this what has been discussed, relating to no longer having anything to hide, so that naïveté can flourish.

I can see that no longer having anything to hide is essentially to have levelled the maze which consisted of ‘my’ subterfuge.

But then there is something else… It is not do with no longer hiding as such, rather it is to do with ceasing ‘surviving’. Which is to say that to ‘be’ naïveté and thus to set the actualism process in motion is to agree to cease the instinctual ‘action’ of ‘surviving’, which is more like the very thrust of ‘me’ as an entity.

It looks to me that to step through the boundary, past which the actualism process is in motion, is to have decided, deep down, to cease ‘surviving’.

Basically this ‘action’ of ‘surviving’ and naïveté are oil and water, and to give way to naïveté fully is to abandon ‘surviving’.

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Hi Kuba,

Well, it looks to me that you have a problem – to no longer have a problem behind which to hide.

But instead of daring to come out and play, a little bit at a time, from behind your “subterfuge”, and start enjoying being alive in a new, a little bit more naïve way, you quickly manufactured a new problem from the very words I wrote to Claudiu –

Vineeto: … it does require your active intention because moving towards minimizing ‘me’ and its concomitant ‘self’-centricity, and towards letting the universe live you, is nevertheless contrary to one’s original natural survival instincts – until the very enjoyment and wide-eyed wonder together with the impelling influence of pure intent become so compelling that you wouldn’t want to be anything else. (link)

This active intention requires a bit of daring and a lot of sincere intent.

Kuba: But then there is something else… It is not do with no longer hiding as such, rather it is to do with ceasing ‘surviving’. Which is to say that to ‘be’ naïveté and thus to set the actualism process in motion is to agree to cease the instinctual ‘action’ of ‘surviving’, which is more like the very thrust of ‘me’ as an entity.
It looks to me that to step through the boundary, past which the actualism process is in motion, is to have decided, deep down, to cease ‘surviving’.
Basically this ‘action’ of ‘surviving’ and naïveté are oil and water, and to give way to naïveté fully is to abandon ‘surviving’. (link)

Ha, by defining/ conceptualising what to do next as “to step through the boundary” of “oil and water” which you define as “to have decided, deep down, to cease ‘surviving’” you have successfully avoided any daring right now, to come out and play, a little bit at a time, and be more naïve, like a kid with adult sensibilities and see what happens.

To explain, if in your parkour days you had planned the distance for the next jump too far you were bound to fail in that jump, but after you extended your capacity and expertise bit by bit you could eventually jump further than before with more and more confidence.

As such I suggest to experiment with naïve enjoyment and appreciation, and put the question of “cease ‘surviving’” aside for now in order to be more able to like yourself and liking others. To “cease ‘surviving’” can only be looked at when you are easily and happily ready to do so.

Let me know if that might work for you.

Cheers Vineeto

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