Claudiu: Hi Vineeto,
That all makes sense, I just want to address this quote you included:Vineeto:
Respondent: Can you determine whether someone is living a virtual freedom …
Richard: It is entirely up to the person concerned to determine how they are experiencing this moment of being alive each moment again … if another wishes to fool me, by reporting something which is not the situation then, when all is said and done, they only end up fooling themselves (when I go to bed at night I have had a perfect day and upon waking another perfect day is presenting itself). (Richard, AF List, No. 25a, 15 Jun 2003)
Claudiu: There is an implication here (maybe unintended) that I was fooling you (and others) by “reporting something which is not the situation”, and I want to affirm that this is not what happened. (snip). (link)
Hi Claudiu,
Before you continue with your response to your own “implication”, which you already classified as “perhaps unintended”, let me tell you there was no implication when I sent off the message. It must have crept in when you read it.
The intentioned reason I included this quote was because of the first sentence –
Richard: “It is entirely up to the person concerned to determine how they are experiencing this moment of being alive each moment again …”
That means I will be refraining from labelling who is at what stage in the actualism progression, and I have already taken responsibility when I gave my reasons for providing the quotes in the message you are replying to (which you said makes sense to you) –
Vineeto: After giving it some deliberation, I decided to comment on the whole topic.
One reason is that I encouraged both yourself and Kuba to collect messages from the forum that appeared to fit the description of being out from control for publishing it on the AFT website, when it eventually turned out that this might not be the case.
The other reason is that I take the words my correspondents write at face value and therefore can only go by what they write, and not what they live day-to-day, when Claudiu’s visit to Geoffrey provided a more complete experience – (…)
The last but not least reason is that I will have to be more careful in my writing that I better not encourage people to adopt the label of being out-from-control according to what they write, so that time (a person’s and other readers’ most valuable asset) may not be frittered away by believing that they only have to “chill” and wait for the actualism process to complete by itself when this is not yet the case. [Emphases added]. (link)
The comment is my hindsight and what I will be doing different in future. We are all pioneers in this business of bringing about peace on earth.
Where in that introduction did I say that you were “fooling” me? It is up to you to determine that.
Let me put it in a different way – to explain why Richard wrote the second part of the above quote – the whole process of actualism includes finding out about one’s emotional/ passional habitual thinking and (at times passionate) feeling which encompasses finding out about one’s beliefs, morals and ethics inculcated from birth onwards, which prevent enjoying and appreciating being alive.
Each time you are able to replace a belief/ truth with a fact you recognize you have been fooled and as such been fooling yourself. The same applies to any other social identity issue you have inadvertently swallowed hook, line and sinker, when you eventually find out that they make no sense when compared to the sincere intent of imitating the actual.
Your visit to Geoffrey enabled you to find out the fact that his being out-from-control doesn’t match your own belief of being out-from-control –
Claudiu: What happened with me is: after talking about my experience of being alive with Geoffrey, he described a bit what it was like being out-from-control for ‘him’ in ‘his’ last week, and to me it sounded like a different thing than I was experiencing, and we were in concordance on that. (link)
And –
Claudiu: But this has got me all looking around, now that I’m confident I am not out-from-control in the way Geoffrey was at the end … (link)
So you were able to replace your previous belief with the newly discovered fact.
Now why you want to go back discussing what happened a year ago (June 23, 2024 and June 24, 2024) to justify anything that was happening then, and then have me “imply” that you were or were not “fooling” me, is anyone’s guess. For what purpose? Why not appreciate that a new fact has come to light which makes the previous belief obsolete?
I am reminded of a quote from Richard (he always said it better than I ever can) –
Richard: A fact is patent, obvious, apparent, evident, tangible, palpable, substantial, tactile, verifiable and indisputable. The marvellous thing about a fact is that one can not argue with it. One can argue about a belief, an opinion, a theory, an ideal and so on … but a fact: never. One can deny a fact – pretend that it is not there – but once seen, a fact brings freedom from choice and decision. Most people think and feel that choice implies freedom – having the freedom to choose – but this is not the case. Freedom lies in seeing the obvious, and in seeing the obvious there is no choice, no deliberation, no agonising over the ‘Right’ and ‘Wrong’ judgment. In the freedom of seeing the fact there is only action, and that action is the movement into perfection. (Richard, List A, No. 14, #No.09)
Besides, your additional message confirms what I just said – why not appreciate that a new fact has come to light which resultant action makes the previous belief obsolete? As a guess, the qualifier “when being naïve” is the clue.
Claudiu: Also just wanted to add that the funniest thing about this all is, when being naive, that it “doesn’t really matter” what transpired. Like there’s no moral weight or blame or “something done wrong” on any side of anyone. It was well-intentioned people doing their best with given information at the time, to navigate and attempt to label experiential ways of being, which can certainly be tricky. And there is no lasting harm or anything that has been done… ultimately it’s up to me anyway to self-immolate, I had already grown suss for a few months and recognized something more was needed, visiting Geoffrey helped me see what I think the main blocker was (trying to put myself into actuality), and now that I have been able to properly contemplate and reflect on just what my total extinction means and entails, I am having a blast and experiencing myself as having gotten to further ‘reaches’ than I ever have before. So all is, in the final analysis, going just fine really. (link)
Regarding your question what to do with the out-from-control reports of yourself and Kuba we can sort this out in a private email.
Cheers Vineeto