Vineeto: For good measure you added “the ownership is imaginary”, …
Henry: I was drawing that concept partly from my own past realizations regarding ownership which align with this quote which is referenced in the social identity / peasant mentality article: (Richard, List D, No. 38, 31 May 2015)
Yes practically speaking one must own accoutrements in order to function, it still remains that the ownership really consists of the legal recourse of protection should someone else wish to make off with whatever item. (link)
Hi Henry,
Thank you for the reply and the informative links. Looking at your all-encompassing description I thought it needed more detailing, but you found where Richard has already done it. I fully agree with your expanded explanation. A virtually free society would need no such legal protection but that seems still a long way off.
Vineeto: Were you perchance using this technique of taking this as a belief so as to not be viscerally moved by the content of the video, i.e. keep it at arm’s length?
What happens if you watch it again, this time allowing the possibility that engineering of misery on a grand scale may well be happening? It’s certainly worthwhile exploring how the real world operates for your own benefit – else you will be using actualism as a dogma and a theoretical belief-system to ensure ‘you’ to remain the way you are.
Henry: I didn’t get into this in my previous post but yes that is exactly the character of the realizations I was having.
Basically in an identity-centric bid to be an actualist (and thus gain some imaginary brownie points), I was taking on the dissociative belief that all was already perfect and that power didn’t exist. As a result I found myself frequently unsympathetic/ uncharitable with anyone in suffering or in the grips of various human machinations.
“Imaginary brownie points” is one reason but going by ‘Vineeto’s’ experience, keeping the impact of the wide-spread, for ‘her’ unbearable, misery of countless humans at bay was the main reason ‘she’ kept such acknowledgement and its visceral impact at arm’s length. ‘She’ was only able to feel sympathy and caring when actualism provided a genuine solution, not only for ‘her’ but for everyone.
Whenever being an ‘actualist’ makes you cool and/or callous then this ‘actualist’ identity is certainly leading you in the wrong direction (one of the main trick of ‘me’ to sabotage any change) –
Richard: “Often people who do not read what I have to say with both eyes gain the impression that I am suggesting that people are to stop feeling … which I am not. My whole point is to cease ‘being’ …” (Richard, Articles, A Precis of Actual Freedom)
Henry: One of the effects of this has been that the most important element of inspiration to become free, e.g. the passionately felt desire to end the child abuses, murders, suicides, tortures etc etc was essentially rendered toothless in a numbed-out psyche. I see this as monstrous actually now.
Indeed, it is monstrous. You cannot become actually free only for your own sake – it will remain still-born, just as “without naiveté – the nearest a ‘self’ can get to innocence whilst remaining a ‘self’ – pure intent will remain still-born”. (link)
Henry: Beyond the specifics of who or what (e.g., illuminati or no), this is a fact. There are powerful individuals & groups actively engineering suffering at grand scale(s) for their own benefit. For the first time in a long time, I find myself deeply disturbed & stirred by this. It’s obvious as well that the only thing to do about it is to become free, and it’s obvious the connection to enjoying & appreciating to facilitate that. All that is left is to do that.
Ha, “all that is left is to do that”, as you are presently finding out, includes investigating one’s social identity and the multifaceted peasant mentality.
Addendum re: illuminati or no: Also to be clear I’m not wanting to say one way or another at present, as primarily I’m recognizing that I have no idea and that a considerable amount of research is ahead of me before any picture comes into focus.
Personally, I still keep my own counsel as to what name they go by or how they are organized. It’s enough to know that a large group of people secretly but quite obviously have nefarious and Malthusian aims, plans and plenty of means, ways and power to be quite successful at present. As an uninformed and gullible citizen ‘I’ used to wonder why there were so many wars when apparently none of the ordinary people really wanted to go to war. It took a long time to find out why.
Henry: It’s apparent that 90% of my worldview has consisted of readily-imbibed beliefs handed to me. I find that quite painful but I’m reminding myself to be gentle with myself haha. (link)
I perfectly understand, and it can be quite an embarrassing shock that one has been such a fool to swallow the dominant worldview hook, line and sinker (and any worldview for that matter). You can make good use of this embarrassment to allow your hidden-away-during-puberty childhood naïveté come to the fore. Then you can discard seriousness and have fun with your discoveries how you tick. As Ian put it – “The final identity…I am fun.” (link)
Henry: For a long time I have been trying to figure out why I couldn’t seem to get my motivation going properly toward becoming free, and it seems I finally have the answer. I can hardly believe that it has finally happened, and I could not have predicted the sequence of events or psychological/ attitudinal shifts that were involved to get here.
It also makes evident a lack of solidity when it comes to my identity or any identity. I could only uphold that identity via those specific beliefs & feeling-associations. Only a few targeted beliefs was enough to topple an entire wing of ‘me,’ with seemingly more to follow.
I am very pleased about what you have already uncovered. It is wonderful to see how you find out more and more and gain more motivation in the process.
Vineeto: It sounds like a wonderful experience, even though the expression “actual ‘star-dust’” had me puzzled for a while.
Henry: Yes I don’t think it fits well either, but I didn’t know how else to describe it… I was and am astounded by the physicality of everything that exists (and that is all that exists). (link)
Yes, ‘star-dust’ reminds me more of birthday party glitter than how I would describe my experience of being here in this actual world. I do better understand now what you meant and am delighted about your experience of “the physicality of everything that exists (and that is all that exists)”.
Enjoy.
Cheers Vineeto