Hey yes exactly this! Sincerely wondering what it is like brings forth this whole different sparkle really it brings a wonderful feeling of something exquisitely kind of giddy…that exploration incited the motivation to be more finely tuned to what is going on and everything that’s not that particular feeling…its like everything about me is an objection except the one that totally wants this to happen…thanks for reminding me about Grace’s gradation…really cool I will find that bifurcation and slip salubriously sideways 
… such a timely reminder thank you… reading those words again makes me so happy
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Hi Ian,
Your reply is a delight to read and your words are music to my ears.
Much appreciated.
Cheers Vineeto
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What an awesome thread. That news report was chef’s kiss as they say.
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However, you wanting to share your journey of discovery towards an actual freedom, or aspects of it, with a fellow human being does not need to be an “objection” – it can also be an expression/ motivation to look for someone who you can develop/ allow a delicious naïve intimacy with.
Well that’s exactly right, I would love a companion/intimate collaborator 
to whom I am drawn to allow a delicious naïve intimacy with and who would be as keen to reciprocate of their own accord.
@Ian My experience is one doesn’t need a companion/intimate collaborator. It’s not even something I want at this point.
Fascinating…so did you at some point want that, and now no longer…was there an insight or realisation that changed something for you?
Yes, when I was younger I thought I needed another. I did have an insight at one point that it was my own neediness that thought and felt I needed someone.
Thanks, something to contemplate. I feel like it would be so wonderfully joyful to explore together. How cool if their favourite thing was also my favourite thing. However, I can see that it isnt ultimately necessary. You’ve highlighted something worth exploring for me, thank you.
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This is fun
I am probably in one of the more unusual set ups in that @Sonyaxx is at least somewhat interested in actualism. But what I have found interacting with most people is that there is indeed some kind of dormant interest there, in terms of discovering what it means to be a human being living in the world as it is. But this interest is buried under such a weight coming from the human condition that not much fruitful interaction can usually take place, in terms of penetrating into the “mystery of life” together.
This forum is probably your best bet haha. And in fact what a privilege that this is possible to do, with people all over the world!
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Yeah totally, this forum is incredible and it’s so awesome to have Vineeto’s input and encouragement. Amazing really.
Yeah that’s a good point, it’s highly likely that there is an inkling of interest, do you find that your interactions naturally drift toward the topic of being alive just by virtue of your way of being?
I think what is happening at the moment is I am levelling up making this my life mission and the more that I want to do this the more exciting it gets.
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I find that in one to one interactions it can sometimes veer in that direction however in group settings I have found it almost impossible, there is just such a tide of reality that tends to take over. As in people in groups will very quickly veer into those typical ways of being which is either getting caught up in various power dynamics or discussing how life is a vale of tears or at the very least simply getting caught up in the good/bad feelings. Fundamentally I also observe that identities have no interest in being here where this moment is happening so discussions tend to reflect this bias.
For example I remember writing about a holiday with my friends in France, how even though the moods were generally good, the whole time they were either planning for future things or reminiscing past happenings.
Usually in these situations I would find myself almost like ‘I’ am sat just a few steps away from the ‘group’ with a “naïveté is here” flag, and that is where I would relate from. The thing is that it takes daring to be naive so most people will walk right past the flag.
This is certainly an improvement from being located firmly within the ‘group’ but lately it has exposed it’s limitations, for I could be waiting forever to be joined 
. Realising this lately ‘I’ packed up the flag and got walking towards the exit again haha.
When things begin to get magical and
I find myself here where this moment is happening then any remnant desire to belong or to relate with other identities disappears. Then simply being here is enough. Then there would still be a flag, such as the one that Richard held up for 17 years whilst being the only one in Terra Actualis. But the flag would only read “paradise is here” with no agenda from the one planting it.
From Peter’s report of becoming actually free :
“I happened to remember that Richard had often said that he had been on his own in the actual world (for 17 years to date) and that he would like someone else to join him in the actual world and not for his sake but to prove that he was not a freak-of-nature, as it were, but as definitive proof that global peace and harmony amongst human beings was indeed possible in that an individual actual freedom from malice and sorrow was a repeatable occurrence.
As I remembered where Richard was, I reached out and touched the side of his actual face with my fingers. As I tenderly stroked it, I ‘saw’ him as Robinson Crusoe – on his own but not lonely – on a tropical desert island, playfully content and self-sufficient, but ever casting an eye out lest a playmate hove in to view over the horizon.”
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Actually I find that doing my hen party gigs I can often steer things towards a naive ambience. I think because they are all there with the intention to just have fun to begin with and also as I am somewhat “in charge” of what is happening it seems easier to steer the ship in that direction. When it works it can be incredibly fun!
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Awesome thanks for that, it’s so interesting to hear what things are like in day to day existence, something in it stimulates the part of me that knows what is being talked about - it’s like an alertness of sorts - hard to describe but it’s like the more glimpses of actuality or closeness to actuality are discussed the brighter the connection burns to pull me toward it.
Yes that’s a great passage - when I was visiting Richard and Vineeto I wanted to reach out in that way, maybe take a hand or something, but I didn’t have the courage to voice the interest.
When you are spending time with @Sonyaxx do you often see her actual self? A few times in my past I had a girlfriend where I occasionally it would happen where I could see her face as actually there, I would be transfixed in a sense to looking at her this way - it would always come as such a great surprise and is one of the great motivating pulls because it is the most magical experience to see someone as they actually are out of the blue. I want to be able to see everyone like that.
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It doesn’t happen very often but the last time it happened was a very brief PCE that I had maybe 4/5 days ago when we were all on a boat ride. It was during those times of experiencing utter delight and yet those last remnants of ‘being’ were still casting some kind of a veil of separation.
Even before the PCE it was a spectacular experience but I knew there was more. I began wondering about what it would take for this experience to get even better. And sure enough a few seconds later I had the experiential answer. I was looking towards the back of the boat where @Sonyaxx was sat and all of a sudden I found myself in the actual world looking at the actual flesh and blood body called Sonya. It was the kind of experience that words fail to express the magnitude of, and it all took maybe a second.
It’s so interesting that the gap between virtual freedom and actual freedom is still like another dimension altogether. So ‘I’ can creep up to seeing the actual Sonya and when being naive she is definitely experienced in a different way BUT the jump from that to actuality is yet another world, with a whole different Sonya (the actual Sonya) that ‘I’ have absolutely no access to otherwise, even when ‘I’ have crept up so close.
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Yeah wow that’s so cool - it’s the most perfect thing every time. Thinking about it now I realise that those times where I had those short intimacy PCEs were preceeded by periods of naive playfulness.
Again, I really I love knowing what you’re talking about, and knowing we are all talking about the same thing.
And you’re so close to flipping the switch and being there all the time it’s wicked. (yes you the actual body not you the identity)
And Vineeto is actually there - she is living and breathing with that astounding intimacy alllll the time…immense.
Such a buzz
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To summarise two key things that - for me - have transformed actualism from a concept that seemed frustratingly difficult to do, into a joyful and fascinating adventure
- Realised I was being resentful toward life and stopped being that by experientially seeing how silly it was to be resentful, as in how silly it is to be a person who chooses to feel resentful and holds it as something important.
Benefits: able to feel good as a baseline, gain confidence that actualism works as a practice
- Realised that I am the instinctual passions…as a fact not a concept.
Benefits: increasing joy, no longer fighting myself, no longer feeling different than other people, no longer feeling lost, able to experientially feel like a big kid, shedding seriousness, delighting in daily activities, being able to understand whay is written on the actual freedom website, understanding who I am (no more existential angst), being aware of pure intent, able to understand and see the silliness of my nature and needs and the resulting behaviour (bit by bit) and have that seeing change me. Naturally and increasingly enjoying and appreciating this moment of being alive 
…and realising this game is actually happening.
Delicious!
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Ian: To summarise two key things that – for me – have transformed actualism from a concept that seemed frustratingly difficult to do, into a joyful and fascinating adventure
- Realised I was being resentful toward life and stopped being that by experientially seeing how silly it was to be resentful, as in how silly it is to be a person who chooses to feel resentful and holds it as something important.
Benefits: able to feel good as a baseline, gain confidence that actualism works as a practice
- Realised that I am the instinctual passions … as a fact not a concept.
Benefits: increasing joy, no longer fighting myself, no longer feeling different than other people, no longer feeling lost, able to experientially feel like a big kid, shedding seriousness, delighting in daily activities, being able to understand what is written on the actual freedom website, understanding who I am (no more existential angst), being aware of pure intent, able to understand and see the silliness of my nature and needs and the resulting behaviour (bit by bit) and have that seeing change me. Naturally and increasingly enjoying and appreciating this moment of being alive … and realising this game is actually happening.
Delicious! (link)
Hi Ian,
What an excellent summary of success!
Yes this “game is actually happening”.
It should give great confidence to anyone else who is endeavouring to succeed in the same actually happening game.
Cheers Vineeto
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OK i have been contemplating the awful side of the human condition, allowing myself to delve into videos of human conflict and war and payign attention to politics, always with one eye on how it begins in my own being. A great read called The Greatest Evil is War by Chris Hedges was a strong eye opener, and a documentary called The Act of Killing directed by Joshua Openheimer really brought things to light, then also had a recent experience of a conflict situation arising at work involving several groups with opposing perspectives to which i was initially neutral but then threats were made to who i felt to be my people which sparked the same defense anger as i could see in the other parties, fortunately I was aware enough to be fascinated by the whole thing instead of getting caught up in it…and made a request to disarm the situation from escalating further… and the experience of this urban battleground taught me a few things/led me to finally understand experientially some key elements:
- Conflict shows that anger/defense/identity/morality is the same in everyone no matter what the conflict is about.
- Morality is felt the same in everyone and is enculturated
- As an instinctual feeling being I was born anonymous
- My name was imposed, maybe one of the first personal identities enculturated into this mind
- There is no difference between me and my fellow human beings
- I am now genuinely contemplating what it means to care for another / all individuals, given that the one is the many
So I get the difference now between me as the anonymous instinctual being, and me as the social identity.
Also me as a social identity is obviously illusory - has no basis in actuality at all.
also it kind of feeds me more understanding of how me as anonymous instinctual being needs to be triggered into the altruistic sacrifice.
The main thing that surprised me was understanding the anonymous nature of me as the instinctual being.
There’s something in all this which is bit by bit clicking into place.
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Another facet of these and other recent experiences, for example dealing with surprise heavy rain is that I am aware of the common sense that comes to the fore or perhaps operates despite my being…as long as I am paying attention and keep my hands in my pockets as they say, I can notice that there is sensible appraisal and action occuring…collecting information, processing, making decisions based on the understanding and taking action…then stopping when there is no more action required…even while I might be being anxious/worried for example.
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