Emp's excursions

Prefacing with this album. Even if you don’t like the songs the cover is fascinating. :slight_smile:

Things are happening very quickly and I need to post some reminders to myself. Maybe it will be useful to someone else. I remember Geoffrey saying (way back) that he didn’t seem to make much progress when he was writing and then the inverse when not writing (correct me if I’m wrong) and I don’t see why that wouldn’t be true. I still want to write things down, and maybe get some feedback as well in the process.

Anyway, my baseline during the convivium week was unlike anything I’d experienced in years. I remember being a bit scared at the end of it (the “please grant me experiences” attitude is still alive and well, despite all my efforts to chip at it), afraid that I’d lose everything I’d shown myself and just go back to being a surly, lonely being.

The weather was dreadful when I landed back home late Saturday night, and some private issues that had been far away when being at the other end of Europe were now very much at the fore again, but I could still keep the baseline going and I remarked to myself how nothing seemed to be a problem as long as I was bathing in this enjoyment and appreciation.

I had to sing in a church on Sunday, which was ironically funny given how scared I’d been of anything religion the day before, but I managed to get the playfulness to come in during rehearsals and I had an absolutely lovely time leading up to the concert, with some random smiling and laughing to myself because I was enjoying myself so much. The relaxation coming from being very thin, and very playful, made the singing so easy and so pleasant that I think I might have sung better than ever. There was one song with piano comp where I could feel every note of it vibrating and playing around with me, and the overtones and the trilling sounds of the piano strings increased my enjoyment manifold. Then came the actual concert and the mass and I didn’t like it at all. I got it into my head that the “God” vibes were too strong. The rest of the day I kept the baseline up but didn’t have any particular experiences, but I had plenty of energy for cleaning up and walking.

On Monday I was getting a bit antsy though. I needed to be able to get somewhere at home. The weather felt oppressive (rainy and cold, and nature seemed to be dead and barren compared to Algarve). I told my colleagues I’d work from home and with my hours a bit skewed, and went out for a walk. I did think that maybe I was being a bit insane about the whole thing, and perhaps also a bit avoidant (I do tend to have this problem) but it seemed to me that proving to myself that I could do it at home had to be my priority above all else, and I had the margins at work to be flexible.

As I was walking around I started noticing that plants that had seemed dead to me started popping out when I took the time to relax and let things happen. I eventually found myself at a cliffside (with proper fencing! :wink: ) looking out over the sea and the ships coming in and noticing that sweetness coming in from all sides. I could do it, even when it was raining! :joy: I played around with Gemini and plants again but had to keep an eye on other people wondering why the heck I was jumping around the cliffs looking at moss. There’s a lot of social identity there still and I need to whittle that part down.

With the cliffside experience I felt like I’d at least opened a possibility that I might have a shot at this even here (why I have it in my head that I can’t do it here is silly, but I keep bringing it up). My baseline was still astronomically better than it had been in years and I had a pleasant day overall. I finally dealt with setting up a 5G forward deployment modem I’d had laying around for ages, then unpacked my bags (who packed the shampoo so badly that it leaked all over my climbing shoes?) and kept cleaning up my apartment. In the evening I went out again and this time, even in the darkness, my enjoyment and playfulness ramped up. I decided to make a phone call and while it was pleasant at the start I did notice the person on the other end constantly trying to pull me into her issues. I held my own and wasn’t particularly bothered by it and by the end we had a reasonable discussion at least.

Tuesday though… I had to get into work now. We have mandatory presence and I didn’t want to avoid large groups of people for much longer. The whole “staying in and protecting my feelings” was starting to feel oppressive and completely anathema, so I had to stop hiding away and try my hands at keeping felicitous at work as well and not just while protected in my ivory tower. In the shower I came close to the same kind of experience as I had below the Elegant Dining Experience; I was thinking about how it was all “me” that made it happen in Portugal, and I traced it back to the first day and finally got it into my head that it was me that did that was well. I was overcome with laughter and a bit of a sniffle, looking up at the shower tiles and just being happy about it all.

The way in to work was lovely; I was enjoying just watching people and despite issues with my train I didn’t feel stressed. I remember being extremely appreciative as we were crossing the bridge from my island and over to the mainland, looking at the surrounding smaller islands all spread out in the water, a rainbow of leaf colours from the shifting trees reflected in masses of glittering sea. The early morning sun had this pale shade that it gets around this time of year, peeking through the clouds and creating almost a haze. I remember thinking that it was all so immensely good that I was here, living in this paradise, on my way in to work in this little carriage with all these people.

I started feeling my motivation ramping up. I really wanted this. I wanted what I’d experienced in Algarve like I’d never wanted anything before. I did start noticing how I was throwing myself indiscriminately at it like a rabid pit bull though. Whenever I thought of slowing down I could just hear myself going “turn down for WHAT!” and then I kept at it.

There was a constant issue I’d been having since coming back; hanging onto the whole convivium experience while not being able to be here, right now, barely at all. I would constantly hear Geoffrey’s words that “the actual is here, now” and I could bring myself back for a brief moment, but then I’d latch on to the pleasant feelings again. I could see it and I could feel it but I kept going back to those feelings since I was so scared of not being able to make it on my own (I’ve made it on my own across the globe multiple times, I’ve made it on my own since I was a kid, why this keeps popping up is probably obvious to everyone else and it’s already murkily obvious to me, but it still keeps popping up). I remember mentally saying goodbye to everyone somewhere on Monday because I noticed I kept a vice grip on everything while avoiding everything happening in the present, but still returning back to the happy memories and interactions. While sitting on the subway I was suddenly overcome with loving feelings for the fellow actualists I’d spent the week with. It came out of left field, but was probably fuelled by this whole back and forth I was engaging in.

I came into work infused with these feelings and while they were kind of pleasant (I remember having to tell myself that so as to not panic entirely), I noticed I had very little capacity to think, and the most unpleasant of it all; a pinpoint focus that I couldn’t get out of. I could concentrate like a glowing hot iron on what was right in front of me but everything around me was completely out of focus and earshot. I had yet another “what the fuck have I done now?” moment but I had to keep working. I felt out the whole experience and realised there was a massive wall of fear between whatever this was and where I wanted to be. I had to face it but right then and there I just couldn’t. As soon as I felt it out in my chest I could feel the waves of good feelings washing over me and I was trapped. It was like being in love (been there, done that and I know I can get out of it… I just don’t like the time it takes). I went for a walk around the lake below our office during lunch but still couldn’t pull myself out of it. I could feel the massive ego underneath it all. I started noticing I was getting irritated and realised I could probably use that to get out, and right after lunch something happened that well and truly irked me. I sat on my hands but ended up having take charge and being very sharp, and it helped me shed some of the cloyingly sickly mess I was in. Then I started feeling fearful and I could sense myself returning to “normal”. I was still feeling very muddled and incapable of functioning though. Towards the evening I was starting to wonder if I’d just made this more dramatic than I had to; my baseline had been so good, and I had been so thin for so long that getting back to being “me” felt disgusting. I’ve spent so many years being more or less entirely dissociated that getting out of it so cleanly, and then spending close to a week so close to the actual, was bound to give me some kind of whiplash getting back. It’s still up for grabs what happened, it could even have been the half tablet of antihistamine I took the night before to sleep.

I still felt like a massive failure though, envying the others that were a lot more measured in their approach and still enjoying the afterglow, while I was sitting here toiling and driving myself bonkers (even when writing this I can see how sorry I felt for myself). I went to sleep that evening having to physically pry myself from mindless YouTube surfing and dissociating.

I woke up to a storm around 3:30. I remember waking up and feeling quite good, reflecting on how I’d done my usual thing of ruminating myself into a mess. I looked at the forum and saw hunterad’s response in the convivium thread and something clicked in me. I went and got my heated blanket and snuggled up underneath it, softened my approach entirely and suddenly everything that had been bothering me just melted away. I could once again feel that undercurrent of sweetness that had suffused the entire convivium week, and this time without working myself into a pretzel just to get a whiff of it. I just lay in my bed, listening to the wind blowing things around outside and feeling calm for the first time in days. I knew already from before that I had to tune and turn myself down; again, I was throwing myself at things like a raging pit bull, and mixed with the anxiety and the constant ups and downs I wasn’t going to land anyplace nice. It’s a bit shameful to admit this but I didn’t see any other way then and there.

Some things that I’d written in my notes that I discovered over the past couple of days:

Sometime during a discussion, Geoffrey told me “we have all the time in the world” and it didn’t click for me. It should’ve, so I put a huge pin in it that moment, the phrase and my reaction, and it still hasn’t clicked other than intellectually. It still feels like I need to understand this experientially, also to stop stressing myself out.

Harmlessness came extremely easy during the convivium week, and I found myself sitting on my hands all the time because the milieu was so precious that I didn’t want to ruin it for anything, but I hadn’t noticed how tinged with morality harmlessness has always been for me. After coming home, I started “furling up the tentacles” (I think it was Adam who mentioned feeling himself to be like an octopus with its feelers out?) every now and then and noticed how much of a difference it made, and it clicked that it was never about morals, it was about not always being out trying to affect others and blobbing around existence like an amoeba. I noticed immediately the difference in quality of how I experienced others and myself without affecting the vibes. I didn’t realise how much it was necessary until I saw clearly how it operated.

And finally, I need to soften my approach. I’ve had a couple of really rocky days when I’ve tried to force things while pretending I wasn’t forcing things. I ended up ruminating numerous times while trying to pretend I was analysing things (and noticed immediately as I stopped forcing things that 90% of the stuff I was ruminating about really didn’t even have to be resolved). I kept thinking that the further I had “backslid” the more SeRiOuS ThInKiNg I had to do to get out of it. The key was just to let off the pressure and allow it to happen (why do I hear “allow” with Geoffrey’s accent, the heck dude?). Speaking of excursions, I don’t need to find my way back along the same path that I strayed on, I just need to let go and let it happen. The actual is here and now, never back a week in Portugal and not in March next year when the weather will turn back around, or sometime in the future when I’ll have magically become a better person who’s more suited to this :wink:

Something I didn’t write in my convivium report was how the whole God experience was followed by seeing, at the bottom of it, the weaver of dreams and fantasies, and how this weaver is me - and it has been (over)active since coming home. There’s a large part of me that wants to fail, because this is scary. It went so fast that I knew I could do it, and I could do it right away. I’ve tried to channel that part of me that wants to sabotage this as some kind of reckless abandon but I’m not sure it works. I even wrote, as one of my first notes to myself, that ‘I’ grow and stay alive in the friction, in the desperation and in the phugoid oscillations I keep creating for myself. If I succeed I’m gone and no longer needed, and that still frightens me. I can see, whenever I get closer to the sweetness and actuality, that I’m not needed, but I need to do this with more situations and also not working so hard for it, almost driving myself silly in the process.

Anyway, enough of this. I feel like I’m going to get yelled at for making things so complicated for myself but I still wanted to post this. :smiley:

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Reading my own words back I’m acutely aware of how much of a fraud and a parasite I feel like I am (and am, right?). And in line with the discussions we had during the week, I need to ramp up the PCEs. A little bit of A, a little bit of B… Let’s see if I can calmly allow a PCE to happen, and to happen fully this time. :slight_smile:

Ah this is what I was trying to convey that evening, about ‘me’ being both the problem and the solution! For some reason I had the image of ‘me’ being like vines growing denser and denser, obscuring the perfection which is already here.

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Hi Lorelai :wink: I really enjoyed reading this and how sincere it came across. I’ve also noticed myself going back and forth in terms of living in the same flavour as when we were all in Portugal and then ‘normal’ existing. However, I do find it easier to get back to that playfulness and sensuosity when I relax into it, it reads like you’ve found that to be the case too! We’ve got this! :blush:

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Hmm, I can see how I am the problem but I’m not yet where I can see how I’m the solution… I guess? You were absolutely instrumental in pointing out how I was tossing myself between hope and desperation though, I wouldn’t had seen it if you hadn’t pointed it out.

Loreen! Thanks for pointing it out. Writing this was not pleasant but sticking to ruminating on my own would’ve been worse.

Btw, I ended up getting the Swedish equivalent of Hello Fresh since they had so many Asian dishes. This was while at the height of my loving feelings for all the experiences we shared :joy: but I’m still happy about making myself a couple of Asian-themed dinners every week. Spicy chickkkeennn, let’s see if I survive it.

You seem to be clear on the target though! Even through the weird bit you ended up in, you know what to get back to!

oooo! how exciting! Build up that spice tolerance and next time I see you you can dig in into the spicy sauce :blush: . I know what you mean about the loving feelings for all the experiences we shared, I found that having the appreciation of the intimacy we all shared at the forefront and re remembering that helped diminish the loving feelings.

I’m still in awe on what we accomplished :slight_smile:

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I reflected (ruminated? eh eh eh) a bit this afternoon about how I’d always been the forever bridesmaid and never the bride. I’ve been the one to teach others and helped facilitate and then I’ve been sniffling a bit about being left in the dust. I still don’t know what to do about this tendency of mine to hide in the skirts of whomever. Always being second in command means doing all the fun stuff without the responsibility, but it also means staying childlike forever… and not in a good way.

I could do all the grand gestures of going my own way but then it would not really mean doing the thing. It was Kuba who pointed to the realisation just how deeply experiential actualism is and that’s the way I’m going to have to go as well, but right now I get scared and throw up all this haziness about it. And try to think my way out. :wink:

PS. I also had a bit of a chuckle at myself; I’ve had some kind of experience every day now, of the sweetness, seeing glimpses of the actual, finding my way back to the golden clew. Everything has taken on a glittering quality even in my day-to-day living and here I am, still beating myself up over Not Doing Enough.

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After reading Kuba and Sonya’s experiences today (Kub933's Journal - #2360 by Kub933) I figured I should add mine.

I went back to practice this week, but I had very little fun with my lesson yesterday evening. I’ve started extracting myself from some music stuff since I noticed there was very little enjoyment in it, and on my way home from the lesson I started pondering whether I’d just have to give it all up eventually. I enjoyed a lot of the music we listened to during the convivium, but producing it is connected to a lot of anxiety for me, especially when solo playing (organ, piano etc).

This morning I started going through some of the material I have for an application early next year, and while playing something or other I asked whether I could actually have fun instead… and boom. Out of the right corner of my eye came immense enjoyment at playing and just moving my hands over the keyboard. It was just so much fun! The anxiety I felt just a few moments before was completely gone, replaced by curiosity and joy. Where would my hands take me? What amazing sounds that came out of my Nord! I dropped all control and just let whatever motor skills I’ve developed over the years take over. Suddenly it was all enjoyable, I didn’t care whether I made mistakes since those could be corrected and it was such an enjoyment to correct them. The moment passed, but now I’d established that maybe, just maybe, it might be possible for me to make even this part of my life enjoyable beyond what I thought possible. I tried it again this afternoon and realised that dropping the control was almost the most fun part. I’ve started making inroads to the question whether ‘I’ am actually needed for music. Normally I play and sing with a very strong emotional drive and so far it seems like I really don’t need it. Things sound better without it, even my way of hitting the keys was different.

During my lunch walk I didn’t have that many experiences, but towards the end while making my way home I remember feeling immense joy over the thought of engaging with life 100%, without having to hide away… and the thought brought in the trees and the path I was walking on into technicolor and vibrancy, and I felt myself receding. While going “can I perhaps allow this?” it seems I shut off a bit though, so I’ll have to find some other way.

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Hello Emp,

I’d like to start our conversation with something you said in your convivium report –

Emp: Secondly, what I was saying to Geoffrey on the first day, that gave rise to sincerity, all started with mentioning how I’d messaged Vineeto privately two years ago and she’d challenged me back and like the coward I am I ran for the hills. Saying this untied a knot of fairly large proportions and then the rest of that house of cards came down. I know Vineeto doesn’t need an apology but still… I’m a massive coward. (link)

There is indeed no apology needed – I realized I had been bombarding you with probing questions before we were even properly acquainted, and this was certainly not the most gentle approach. And sometimes it’s just not the right time, but perhaps now it is?

If you allow me, I would like to comment on some of what you reported after you went back home –

Emp: On Monday I was getting a bit antsy though. I needed to be able to get somewhere at home. The weather felt oppressive (rainy and cold, and nature seemed to be dead and barren compared to Algarve). I told my colleagues I’d work from home and with my hours a bit skewed, and went out for a walk. I did think that maybe I was being a bit insane about the whole thing, and perhaps also a bit avoidant (I do tend to have this problem) but it seemed to me that proving to myself that I could do it at home had to be my priority above all else, and I had the margins at work to be flexible.
As I was walking around I started noticing that plants that had seemed dead to me started popping out when I took the time to relax and let things happen. I eventually found myself at a cliffside (with proper fencing!) looking out over the sea and the ships coming in and noticing that sweetness coming in from all sides. I could do it, even when it was raining! I played around with Gemini and plants again but had to keep an eye on other people wondering why the heck I was jumping around the cliffs looking at moss. There’s a lot of social identity there still and I need to whittle that part down.

What I notice you seem to be a very sensuous, vivacious and passionate person but with a strong habit to put yourself down for everything you observe going on in yourself, even when it’s towards freeing yourself (“a bit insane”, “a lot of social identity”). I can understand it well because ‘Vineeto’ oft-times had similar sentiments but it is very counterproductive – ‘you’ can only be “the solution” (as well as the problem) when you are a friend to yourself, when ‘I’ become an ally in this adventure of a lifetime to undo ‘myself’. So when you talk about harmlessness, that needs to include yourself, being harmless with yourself. When you have a feeling attack – and they are bound to happen – sitting on your hands includes not beating yourself up.

It’s this very beating up which feeds negative affective energy and increases the problem, whatever it is – those are the simple mechanics of how feelings (i.e. how ‘you’) operate. Not feeding them, not going in any direction while they rage is the quickest way to calm down.

Emp: I started feeling my motivation ramping up. I really wanted this. I wanted what I’d experienced in Algarve like I’d never wanted anything before. I did start noticing how I was throwing myself indiscriminately at it like a rabid pit bull though. Whenever I thought of slowing down I could just hear myself going “turn down for WHAT!” and then I kept at it. (…) I’ve spent so many years being more or less entirely dissociated that getting out of it so cleanly, and then spending close to a week so close to the actual, was bound to give me some kind of whiplash getting back.

It’s wonderful, isn’t it, to know exactly what you want. But then ‘I’ take charge and use this very wonderful aim to prove that it’s not possible by “throwing myself indiscriminately at it like a rabid pit bull”. It’s one of ‘my’, the identity’s strategies to psychologically/ psychically survive – and when you see that, really see that, you will stop doing that to yourself, become calm (realizing you have “all the time in the universe”) and experientially move towards what you want like you “never wanted anything before”.

There will be backlashes and fear attacks, an actual freedom is against the instinctually-programmed nature of your being. But there is also, deep down, a secret yearning for oblivion, for an end to this constant fighting defending the status quo, to be the ever-alert guardian of the secret that you are being “a fraud and a parasite” (link). There is nothing to attain, to create, the very end of the conflict allows ‘me’ to grow thinner and thinner (as you found out in the quote below) –

Emp: I looked at the forum and saw hunterad’s response in the convivium thread and something clicked in me. I went and got my heated blanket and snuggled up underneath it, softened my approach entirely and suddenly everything that had been bothering me just melted away. I could once again feel that undercurrent of sweetness that had suffused the entire convivium week, and this time without working myself into a pretzel just to get a whiff of it. I just lay in my bed, listening to the wind blowing things around outside and feeling calm for the first time in days.

The very confirmation that you don’t have to fight to experience actuality, the “undercurrent of sweetness” – it is already always existing.

Emp: And finally, I need to soften my approach. I’ve had a couple of really rocky days when I’ve tried to force things while pretending I wasn’t forcing things. (…) There’s a large part of me that wants to fail, because this is scary. It went so fast that I knew I could do it, and I could do it right away. I’ve tried to channel that part of me that wants to sabotage this as some kind of reckless abandon but I’m not sure it works. I even wrote, as one of my first notes to myself, that ‘I’ grow and stay alive in the friction, in the desperation and in the phugoid oscillations I keep creating for myself. If I succeed I’m gone and no longer needed, and that still frightens me. I can see, whenever I get closer to the sweetness and actuality, that I’m not needed, but I need to do this with more situations and also not working so hard for it, almost driving myself silly in the process. (link)

This is very perspicacious and you have a wonderful way of expressing it (I had to look up what you are creating for yourself :wink: ). “Working so hard for it” is certainly counterproductive and a tricky way of ‘you’, the identity taking and maintaining control –

Richard: I might add, though, that naïveté does away with all that ‘heavy lifting’ you spoke of in an earlier e-mail. Viz.:

• [Respondent]: ‘From what I can glean so far, virtual freedom is a period of ‘heavy lifting’. (‘Introduction’; Friday, 27 July 2003).

Where you have gleaned this diaphoretic impression from has got me stumped … here is but one of the many ways I describe the actualism practice: (…)
Or even more specifically to the point of your ‘heavy lifting’ comment:

• [Co-Respondent]: ‘If it is the experiencer that makes efforts to be aware and stay aware, the centre is strengthened, not dissolved, right?
• [Richard]: ‘Since when has naiveté been sudorific? (Richard, List B, No 12q, 5 Jan 2003).

In short: if it be not either easy (effortless) or fun (enjoyable) then there is something to look at until it is again. (Richard, AF List, No. 46, 9 Aug 2003).

Emp: PS. I also had a bit of a chuckle at myself; I’ve had some kind of experience every day now, of the sweetness, seeing glimpses of the actual, finding my way back to the golden clew. Everything has taken on a glittering quality even in my day-to-day living and here I am, still beating myself up over Not Doing Enough. (link)

Ah, that is great when you can see the humour and silliness of “beating myself up over Not Doing Enough”. It’s only a matter of the bad habit of beating yourself up but that can be fixed with friendly patience and perseverance.

All the best with lots of enjoyment and appreciation, and the sweetness of pure intent.

Cheers Vineeto

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Hi Vineeto,

thank you for your response! I won’t leave you on read this time :wink: I did however have a very eventful day so I’ll keep it brief for now until everything has settled.

I was pondering today what you said about beating myself up, while also trying to feel out rumination (I’ve come to realise that rumination is a lot more than just the anxiety-ridden thought marathons I’d get up to regularly). At the same time I was quite upset and torn about a loyalty and empathy question in my personal life which I just couldn’t seem to solve without ending up in a bind. After a lot of back and forthing, the only way out seemed to be to just cut myself more slack than I’ve ever cut myself in my whole life, the longest leash I’ve ever given myself and no more self-recrimination. That was the only way I could get down deep enough into myself to get at the rift. At the same time, I’m scared I’ll just get a reply back that “well, how will you conduct yourself now that you’ve let yourself off the hook? How will you learn if there’s no 15 minutes of hate after you’ve done something bad(1)?” It feels like somehow the Thought Police will know there’s a woman walking around in Sweden not lambasting herself for her mistakes while being friends with her grotty self (quelle horreur!). Maybe it’s ridiculous but that’s the base of the emotion right now.

I also took it upon myself to ponder why “we have all the time in the universe” doesn’t quite click for me and while it was just a brief glimpse I think I might have started to understand what it actually means… and I tried ramping up my intent afterwards and I no longer felt squeezed between a rock and a hard place. I’ll need longer glimpses before I consider this properly experienced though.

(1) 99% of the time, not something bad at all, but my moralistic framing makes it so in my rumination cave

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Emp: Hi Vineeto,
thank you for your response! I won’t leave you on read this time. I did however have a very eventful day so I’ll keep it brief for now until everything has settled.

Hi Emp,

Thank you for your prompt reply despite your eventful day.

Emp: I was pondering today what you said about beating myself up, while also trying to feel out rumination (I’ve come to realise that rumination is a lot more than just the anxiety-ridden thought marathons I’d get up to regularly). At the same time I was quite upset and torn about a loyalty and empathy question in my personal life which I just couldn’t seem to solve without ending up in a bind. After a lot of back and forthing, the only way out seemed to be to just cut myself more slack than I’ve ever cut myself in my whole life, the longest leash I’ve ever given myself and no more self-recrimination. That was the only way I could get down deep enough into myself to get at the rift. At the same time, I’m scared I’ll just get a reply back that “well, how will you conduct yourself now that you’ve let yourself off the hook? How will you learn if there’s no 15 minutes of hate after you’ve done something bad(1)?” It feels like somehow the Thought Police will know there’s a woman walking around in Sweden not lambasting herself for her mistakes while being friends with her grotty self (quelle horreur!). Maybe it’s ridiculous but that’s the base of the emotion right now.
(1) 99% of the time, not something bad at all, but my moralistic framing makes it so in my rumination cave.

Questioning your loyalty and sense of belonging, or the demand for empathy, are both values deeply rooted in the human condition and you cannot come to a sensible clean solution balancing one against the other. Here is something ‘Vineeto’ wrote regarding ‘her’ fears abandoning the ship … perhaps you can relate –

GARY: There is also underlying this a fear, now that I am abandoning ship, casting myself overboard, so to speak. I feel like a ship adrift without a rudder, without the controls of faith, hope, belief. There is also the conditioned fear or dread of some kind of divine punishment, as I am turning away from religion and spiritual teaching.
It’s an interesting trip!

VINEETO: It is indeed an interesting trip! This fear of abandoning ship, which I remember from my own process, is the very proof that something had actually changed and I was not simply replacing one belief with another. I didn’t understand the nature of the fear at the time, yet whenever I stopped to reconsider the sensibility of my choice for Actual Freedom I knew I was better off ‘without the rudder’ of the traditional ‘Tried and Failed’.
The dread of ‘divine punishment’ was very real to me for some time – ‘what if everyone is right after all and I end up in (Eastern) hell?’ Each time one steps away from humanity’s beliefs to stand on one’s own two feet, there is this mad feeling of ‘oh dear, what have I done?’ And yet, when discovering the actual underneath the belief, the actual is so self-evidently obvious that I always thought ‘how come I haven’t seen this before, how come nobody tells you about it, how come nobody else sees this?’
The psychic world of divine and evil, with its atavistic feelings and psychic power structures, is not to be dismissed lightly. It is not a small thing we are doing, stepping out of ancient psychic history and leaving behind at least 3,500 years of recorded superstition and belief, hope for heaven and fear of hell. I encountered fears of being burnt as a witch, expelled from the tribe or starved to death – which in not so recent history were not just psychic imagined fears. These fears all seem to be woven as an ancient memory in our brain cells and are automatically triggered the moment one dares to steps out of the tribal, religious or social group one has belonged to.
Two things always helped me to overcome those fear-attacks – one was the obvious fact that feelings are not actual. Nobody is actually persecuting me or physically threatening me. The other thing is the understanding that I am deliberately and actively dismantling my very ‘self’, all of ‘who I think and feel I am’ and of course that will rock the boat, it wouldn’t be an actual change if it didn’t! Then, the journey becomes really thrilling … [Emphasis added]. (Actualism, Vineeto, AF List, Gary, 3.8.2000).

Therefore, “to just cut myself more slack” might work in the short term but, as you describe, with more fears of reprisal for being amoral (link) – because you remain within the (unliveable) moral/ ethical parameters of the human condition in your evaluation of what will happen.

It’s important to recognize that actualism is a totally different ballgame altogether; then you can slowly step out of those parameters and follow your intent and commitment to be happy and harmless. When you are felicitous and naïve and like yourself, you are simultaneously harmless (they are one and the same thing) and then, with pure intent operating, you now longer require the straight-jacket of the real-world morals and ethics because you are already more friendly, amiable, considerate and courteous than any rule-obeying feeling being can ever be.

It takes a while to work this out experientially but the longer you do it the more you see that it makes sense.

When you are not in the grip of fervent emotions, you might try out attentiveness (instead of rumination), the way Richard described it here –

Richard: To enable apperceptiveness to haply occur it is essential to allow a reflective attention – attentiveness – to one’s psychological and psychic world. It is impossible for one to intelligently observe what is going on within if one does not at the same time acknowledge the occurrence of one’s various feeling-tones with attentiveness. This is especially true with the hostile and invidious emotions and passions (those that are hateful and fearful). In order to observe one’s own fear, for instance, one must admit to the fact that one is afraid. Nor can one examine one’s own depression, for another example, without acknowledging it fully. The same is true for irritation and agitation and frustration and all those other uncomfortable emotional and passionate moods. One cannot examine something fully if one is busy denying its existence. Whatever feeling one may be having, a fascinated attention – attentiveness – freely divulges it … it is looking with discernibleness. All affective feelings are – quite simply – an hereditary occurrence, an inborn factor to be acutely aware of. No pride, no shame, nothing personal at stake … what is there, is naturally there. There is no clinging to the affectionate and desirable emotions and passions (those that are loving and trusting) and no fleeing from the hostile and invidious, either (those that are hateful and fearful). A contemplative attention views all feelings as commensurate – nothing is suppressed and nothing is expressed – as attentiveness does not play favourites. (Richard, Articles, Attentiveness Sensuousness Apperceptiveness).

I always liked the last sentence – “attentiveness does not play favourites”. Normally as a feeling being everything experienced is valued either ‘good’ or ‘bad’ or somewhere in-between, hence embraced or rejected. When deliberately nothing is at stake but a fascination for non-passionate reflective exploration, it is much easier to discover a pattern, a belief, a system and find out how the mind works and how ‘I’ tick.

Emp: I also took it upon myself to ponder why “we have all the time in the universe” doesn’t quite click for me and while it was just a brief glimpse. I think I might have started to understand what it actually means… and I tried ramping up my intent afterwards and I no longer felt squeezed between a rock and a hard place. I’ll need longer glimpses before I consider this properly experienced though. (link)

Having “all the time in the universe” only applies in actuality – in the real world time is ‘self’-centric, limited and boxed in by what you feel you need/ want to achieve before the sun sets or ‘time is up’, and the more achievements, whatever they are, you can squeeze into the hours of the day the ‘better’ a person you, and others, consider you to be. The mistake many actualists make is that they deem this schedule of achievements and boxes to tick to also apply to the actualism method – it does not.

It’s really the contrary – you allow actuality to become apparent (actuality being already actually existing and perfect) via sensuosity, enjoyment and appreciation of being here in this moment of being alive.

Cheers Vineeto

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