Andrew: Thanks Vineeto,
I appreciate the time you take to read and respond so insightfully to this forum! It was a contemplation today that it is a privilege to have you responding to us here.
Hi Andrew,
You are very welcome and it speaks for your perspicacity of your contemplation.
Andrew: I often remind myself that actual freedom is what it says on the box! There is actual freedom! There is no responsibility or obligation to be a part of this forum, or anything like it.
Here is the context where I used the term “no responsibility” –
Vineeto to Andrew: Here is a radical suggestion if you will – how about a legacy of becoming anonymous – being nobody in particular and living in delight and wonder, doing nothing really well. First you learn the skills of ‘being’ less, diminishing the demands of ‘me’ and of society at large.
Instead, you allow yourself to appreciate what is already here when ‘you’ are quiet, cherish what you see, the birds and the colours in the sky and the picturesque river, savour the sounds you hear, smell the scents in the air, feel the friendly balmy air of a summer evening.
Then, when you mastered the skills and joys of being nobody in particular, and it happens more and more of its own accord, it becomes an art of living and you let life live you. No demands, no responsibility, just sensibly taking care of necessities. Wouldn’t that be a legacy worth passing on for the benefit of everyone who cares to emulate it? (23 Feb 2026)
I was talking about the ‘self’-diminishing art of living, of being nobody in particular, where there are no demands and no responsibility in order to ‘be’ somebody. Of course, this also implies that you obey the legal laws and social protocols of the country you are living in.
Therefore, remember Richard’s warning, before you dismantle the social identity, and drop any responsibility or obligation which ‘you’ the feeling being perceives, that “it is an utterly fundamental proviso that pure intent be dedicatorily in place”. I am saying this because I know from experience how very cunning ‘I’ could be, possibly interpreting it as licentiousness, for instance.
Andrew: I patted myself on the back for being sincere enough that you could read and comment on it. I was pushing into the ‘cringe’ to find out more about it. Turns out loneliness will indeed create all sorts of ‘cringe’, and it’s pleasant to simply have it out in the open. It helps me gather back my resolve to change.
That is great – and that is also one aspect of what you later mentioned as “cut to the chase”. Now you know how to share without having to ‘cringe’ afterwards. Find out what happens when you acknowledge, that loneliness is merely a feeling and there is no obligation to fulfill this feeling’s demands.
Andrew: On that note, I came across a fear when really wondering why I hadn’t just “pushed the button”. Considering that every actually free person who has written anything about their freedom has expressed “surprise” that others haven’t also “stepped out of the real world”, I was also looking into it.
Whenever there is great fear when you contemplate ‘self-immolation, it means ‘I’, or dominant aspects of ‘me’, do at present not agree to ‘my’ demise. ‘I’ am dominating and don’t want to relinquish ‘my’ affective power. That’s why intent and affective attentiveness is so important to allow yourself to be drawn to the clarity and joy of being here and remove the various obstacles to enjoy being here. Being happy and harmless is the actualist’s tool to minimize ‘my’ strength and ‘my’ influence bit by bit, habits, beliefs and attitudes.
And being a friend to yourself is a significant technique to utilise to replace the habit of chastising yourself.
Andrew: All the excuses. Well over a decade of reasons/ excuses, it seemed that if I didn’t find a way to “cut to the chase” this will be the way it goes for me.
Aren’t you putting the bar to high and then demand yourself to jump? That’s not very friendly to yourself … and makes no sense either.
Andrew: However, back to the fear. I felt that there was an aspect of fear around success in this ultimate quest. The fear was around what happened to Jesus.
If you remember the prophecies in the bible, Jesus was predicted to be the Messiah, who was destined to deliver the Jews from the yoke of Roman domination. Of course, if you have a similar imagination about an actual freedom, you are in trouble!
Whenever you want to push for self-immolation before you are ready to joyfully acquiesce, you will possibly encounter immense fear and possibly altered states as the “doomsday straws” to prevent that. It may well mean you have not yet a solid base of being happy and harmless in an ongoing way, and are allowing your feelings to push you from one side to the other.
Andrew: Though I am no longer young man, I felt the hesitation to do anything which would put me in the crosshairs of the types which nailed him up (and the many like him, not only in his time, but in all times).
Ok, I think I understand you now. ‘Vineeto’ at some point had the atavistic fear of being burnt as a witch if ‘she’ stepped outside the norm.
‘Vineeto’ to Gary: The psychic world of divine and evil, with its atavistic feelings and psychic power structures, is not to be dismissed lightly. It is not a small thing we are doing, stepping out of ancient psychic history and leaving behind at least 3,500 years of recorded superstition and belief, hope for heaven and fear of hell. I encountered fears of being burnt as a witch, expelled from the tribe or starved to death – which in not so recent history were not just psychic imagined fears. These fears all seem to be woven as an ancient memory in our brain cells and are automatically triggered the moment one dares to steps out of the tribal, religious or social group one has belonged to.
Two things always helped me to overcome those fear-attacks – one was the obvious fact that feelings are not actual. Nobody is actually persecuting me or physically threatening me. The other thing is the understanding that I am deliberately and actively dismantling my very ‘self’, all of ‘who I think and feel I am’ and of course that will rock the boat, it wouldn’t be an actual change if it didn’t! Then, the journey becomes really thrilling … [Emphasis added]. (Vineeto, AF List, Gary, 3.8.2000)
Andrew: I saw this while thinking about the efforts made to stay anonymous by actually free people. (link)
You are mainly talking about Richard, I think, how he did not want his last name used publicly. It was mainly to protect those with the same last name from being drawn into any malicious acts of those ‘feeling beings’ threatened by the actual freedom Richard wrote about – as the ‘Mother of all Kerfuffles’ demonstrated – and people did indeed get quite malicious.
Andrew: I knew it was sensible, but the perspective involving the type of hatred those in power have for radical people, had not fully occurred to me. Further to that, was how I am afraid of them, of that hatred and blind murderous intent so often played out in the world towards new, and radical people looking to improve the world.
You are mixing two different topics – Richard talks about changing yourself, not society.
Richard: Astonishingly, I find that social change is unnecessary; I can live freely in the community as-it-is. (Richard’s Journal, Article 20).
‘Vineeto’ or ‘Peter’ never ever got into trouble with “those in power”, nor did Richard. Actual freedom is not a revolution in the sense of overthrowing “those in power” (as much as any rebel-rouser wants that to happen*)* – it is all about changing oneself; the happy and harmless vibes you will then automatically emanate may or may not entice people to do the same for themselves.
Richard: The only way societies will radically alter is by radical change on an individual level as it is individuals collectively who make society what it is.
And this is where actualism is pivotal as it must be borne in mind that the way children are raised is in accord with the prevailing wisdom of the time (currently in the form of values/ principles and morals/ ethics per favour the trickle-down effect of spiritual enlightenment/ mystical awakenment).
Thus it is the flow-on effect of the words and writings of an actual freedom from the human condition – as in practically anyone now being able to be as happy and as harmless (virtually free of both malice and sorrow and their antidotal pacifiers love and compassion) as is humanly possible – which is the most probable and realistic prospect, in the foreseeable future, for all of humankind … and which is why I stress the importance of a virtual freedom. (Richard, List D, No. 12, 27 Nov 2009).
Cheers Vineeto