Y un himno de fiesta
Las palmeras cantaban
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fF7VPXDJp4k
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Mi gato se está quejándo
Que no puede vacilar (ay, hombre)
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my cat is complaining
That he can’t falter (oh, man)
?? 
What does that mean?
He can’t fail? Too much work hunting rats?
The way I understand the song (mi español no es bueno though 
) is that the cat can’t chill/enjoy, for according to his woman that would be faltering in his duties - woman to whom he’s only as good as the rats he hunts, which might pop out of wherever, at whatever time!
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Oh, a man is valued for what he does, a women is valued for what she is.
Seems legit.
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I am glad I just unilaterally ended that war.
No more hunting rats.
This cat is retired.
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I understand something similar, so 
.
It is a funny addition that the one who exposes him and tells his wife is a rat/mouse 
(plus, there is the subtlety that “rata” is slang for snitch, as “rat” in english 
).
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The plot thickens!
I guess the next guy can keep up the rat hunting until he gets snitched on.
I was going through the videos attached here. Except one or two, none of the others struck me as reflecting sensate world. Should we start a separate music thread that represents actualism, music that is not composed to evoke emotions?
Why do you think the types of music have to reflect the sensate world? Most of the songs I used to listen to I did so solely and simply to evoke emotions, it was very much about how the music made me feel rather than it as an experience. Then suddenly I found as I get felicitous and patches of EE’s I found a new level to enjoy music even more in a sensate manner. Including types of music that you might label “overly emotional”, it is just pleasurable sensation of sound for me. I just like what I like the sound of, I like a lot of different music from classical to heavy metal to pop to soul. In the same way that I enjoy the smell of petrol, the taste of chocolate or the feel of latex lol. It is just idiosyncratic to me.
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On a more serious note though, this division of some music being more emotional and other music more sensate has no actual existence, it is projected. I was listening to this tune earlier on today Billie Eilish - Ocean Eyes (Official Music Video) - YouTube which you could say is very emotional and I used to experience it exactly that way.
Today listening to it though there was just a delight in the various sounds that are layered over each other, it was so wonderful to listen to and no sorrow spoiling it.
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Most prominent in your posts is your need for (and projection of) morality. Or right and wrong. Of what is ‘actualist’ and what is not. And your attempts at enforcing these standards.
Further, one particularity of religion (over morality) is that it separates the sacred and the profane in the world. Some things are separated from the rest and deemed sacred, the others are deemed profane. Foods, places, objects, art… music.
If you’re looking for a religion, you’re not going to find one here - except the one you’re making yourself.
In this attempted religion of actualism, ‘sacred’ music is defined by you as music “reflecting the sensate world”. This ‘sensate world’ is then something like a God, whose light can only be reflected - by certain things: the sacred things. Certain music, certain art, “reflect the sensate world”, and other don’t. So there is actualist music, and non-actualist music. Also actualist art, presumably. Food, why not… Clothes?
But there is no separation in the actual world. It’s like Richard pointing out that a polystyrene cup is no less ‘natural’ than anything else. There are no things that are more actual than others things. ‘Things’ are all apprehended by the senses. All music is sensate… vibrations of air molecules. If there is emotion, it’s only in the listener.
You then ask for a “separate” (
) music thread that “represents actualism”… music “that is not composed to evoke emotions”. So it’s about the intention of the composer then? What if some actualist went on to make actualist music (?), and that music still evoked emotions in the listener? Would it then fail as actualist music? Or do we just take the composer’s word for it? Like some priest?
What kind of music would not fail that test by the way, I wonder, seeing that everybody is a feeling-being, who is feeling all the time, whatever music may or may not be playing - and those who are not feeling-beings will not have any emotions evoked by any music anyway.
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My investigation into morality or right and wrong.
Why not? Hypocrisy is a soothing strategy or a coping mechanism that most people in real world engage in, including my own unconscious hypocrisies. It’s helpful to point out possible areas of hypocrisies. Intellectual dishonesty is not actualism, or do you mean to say it’s a part of it?
I have no authority to enforce anything.
Nice point.
You mistook me. I meant music conducive for actualism. Just like going for walks in nature or woods, or being alone is more likely to be conducive for EEs.
That’s fine. I’m just concerned that it’s better for the feeling-beings to hear the music that is more likely to facilitate EEs.