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I am finding lately that an aspect of ‘myself’ which ‘I’ have carried so deeply for so many years is disappearing. It is to do with authority and the resultant lack of confidence, this deep feeling that no matter what ‘I’ do ‘I’ will never be good enough.

It is funny to look at it now, because all ‘my’ life ‘I’ crippled ‘myself’ because of ‘my’ own belief in the absolute power of authority, no wonder ‘I’ never felt good enough as ‘I’ was only comparing ‘my’ performance to ‘their’ beliefs/values/morals etc.

So ‘my’ life was a life of always second guessing ‘myself’, always feeling like there is a ‘big daddy’ who knows better, of always trying to work out just what the ‘right’ thing to do is. Always trying to act out the best performance but painfully falling short each time, then castigating ‘myself’ for failing to live up to ‘their’ borrowed values!

What I am getting a taste of these days is as Richard described - “Here is a total lack of conformity and compromise”. There is such a freedom to no longer being crippled by one’s belief in authority.
Interestingly enough with the belief in authority fading, the feeling of ‘me’ never being good enough also fades, as after all it was ‘their’ beliefs which were the benchmark ‘I’ was comparing ‘myself’ against, constantly.

The question is why were ‘they’ given such credibility in the first place? When it was clearly not warranted. But it was the belief in authority itself which made ‘me’ cling to ‘their’ values even though ‘I’ knew deep down that they were faulty.

Stepping out of this was probably the most daring thing ‘I’ could have contemplated, it was for sure what always brought the most trepidation, that intrinsic power which authority held seemed inviolable, it was a weight that ‘I’ couldn’t imagine ever being lifted, that gravitational pull of ‘humanity’.

What a freedom for this weight, this rock that was crushing ‘me’ since ‘I’ became a member of ‘humanity’ to be lifted. There is such a joy in the quiet confidence that comes when ‘I’ am no longer a slave to ‘humanity’s wisdom’, it is definitely much recommended :smiley:

I remember how this came about, a few days ago I saw briefly that entire construct of authority, power, hierarchy etc for the belief that it is. It was seen to never have been genuine in the first place. This seems to have been the precursor for what is being actualised now.

I couldn’t find a better image but this was what it felt like for ‘me’ to face up to ‘humanity’s wisdom’ :laughing: A wisdom which after a thorough review turned out to be a joke…

It is funny, me and @Sonyaxx went out for a fancy Japanese meal the other day, it was a very intimate ambience with only the chef and 4 people in the room. The other 2 was a couple with the boyfriend being a ‘new money’ kinda guy. Of course he spent the whole time trying to impress upon us his achievements. I ended up talking with him to some depth and it very quickly became clear to him that I simply didn’t agree with his borrowed wisdom, felicitously. He attempted to advise me by pointing out that trees grow to their max potential but only humans limit themselves, funnily enough in the next sentence he equated that ‘maximum potential’ with how many G wagons one is driving :laughing: The bizarre thing happened next when he offered to pay our bill (which was pretty substantial due to the kind of restaurant we were at), I am not sure if this was him throwing the last punch or perhaps he appreciated that I was able to talk with him in a way that was genuine and amicable, despite his attempts at impressing his superiority. But this gives an example as to the quality of this highly venerated ‘human wisdom’.

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I have been speculating that the rise of religion and morality (over the last 5-10k years) is the rise of ‘self-doubt’.

The speculating goes like this; a belief in a higher power, when one is self aware, can only have a chance to take hold if there is ‘self-doubt’.

It may have even preceded religion in the time line; doubting one’s self is the reason security of gods and authority was imagined.

Cue your recent posts about the hundreds of thousands of years when the animal self ruled, the thousands that the religious Gods ruled, and one wonders why I can have any confidence at all!

Perhaps, it’s the reverse though. It was that lack of confidence, that self doubt, which gave rise the the “tried and failed” , but it also has the effect of creating those like me; interested but doubtful. The doubt , being the basis of the belief in authority and morality, go unseen in plain sight!

That is, I doubt I can do this, and it’s powerfully backed up by the mortality which is built on the very same doubt, to the point that I don’t even recognise the doubt. The doubt is me, it’s my entire moral frame.

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How about a challenge to stop speculating and instead allow pure intent? :wink: Then you can live that which is the answer to doubt. You can have confidence based on your experience of perfection and purity, all the way until doubt begins to loose credibility, along with all the morality etc.

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"How about a challenge? "

No thanks. I thought a conversation would be cool.

Though, as you seem comfortable giving them, have you considered that you are not living the “answer to doubt”?

I was quoting a section of your post after all, and thought it appropriate to share what I was “speculating”.

Yes, it offends me that such things aren’t welcome. I wonder just what use it was to post in the first place.

Yes a conversation is great and I am very happy to have one but unless you want to continue speculating forever there has to be an experiential component to what is being discussed.

Yes I am comfortable making suggestions on matters which I understand experientially. Of course if you are referring to actual freedom then I am not living that answer. And yet there is this whole “in the meantime” method of actualism which delivers a virtual freedom from doubt, this I live.

To set the record straight your post was very welcome. If you take offence at the suggestion to discover the answer experientially for yourself (the whole point of this forum existing) then surely the only ‘use’ of that post would be to carry out ongoing speculation without ever arriving at a genuine answer.
Is it that ‘you’ want to continue speculating forever as it will allow ‘you’ to avoid ever having to dip ‘your’ toes in the water? (where the genuine answer can be found).

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It seems the reason ‘I’ have not been willing to allow self-immolation thus far is simply because ‘I’ am not willing to give ‘myself’ up. I remember at the beginning I always had this tick list of things I wanted to achieve to ‘set the scene’ for becoming actually free - Have plenty of PCEs :white_check_mark:, arrive at a virtual freedom :white_check_mark:, have a thorough understanding of the human condition :white_check_mark:, being out from control I did not even consider a possibility but now its a :white_check_mark:

And yet here ‘I’ am still, and in a sense ‘I’ am no closer (or further) to self-immolation now than ‘I’ was initially, indeed there are no conditions. The ‘setting the scene’ is more what is done in the meantime whilst the decision to allow self-immolation is being made, while the case for a life free of ‘I/me’ is under review.

I was considering this just now and I notice that maintaining ‘myself’ benefits nobody, funnily enough ‘I’ experience ‘myself’ to be this ‘precious thing’. So precious and yet ‘I’ am rotten to ‘my’ very core… ‘My’ continued existence benefits absolutely nobody and yet ‘I’ am felt to be so precious?

So indeed ‘I’ will give up what ‘I’ hold most dear, ‘my’ precious rotten ‘self’. This is seen as an inevitability at this point, there is perfection and purity beckoning and then there is this precious rotten ‘me’. I remember Richard describing ‘being’ as this pearl nestled ‘inside’, this is exactly how I experience ‘me’ at the core of ‘my’ being, so very precious and so very rotten :

In that crystal-clear fully-lucid hypnopompic state ‘I’ was able to penetrate deeply into ‘myself’ at the core of ‘my’ being (which is ‘being’ itself) – or, rather, the penetration took place via ‘my’ full acquiescence – and there, in the centre of all the feelings swirling around, the essence of who ‘I’ am lay gorgeously exposed … not all that unlike a beautiful rosy pearl, nestled coyly amidst the delicate fleshy tissue of its host, in its shimmering nacreous shell.

I can see that this last part cannot be reasoned out, as in it cannot happen despite all the ‘good reasons’ to do it, what is being given up is too precious for ‘me’. It will have to be an experiential involvement, a powerful force (altruism) to allow the undoing of a powerful force (‘being’), and pure intent is that something outside of ‘me’ which will provide the leverage.

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Hi Kuba,

Kuba: I can see that this last part cannot be reasoned out, as in it cannot happen despite all the ‘good reasons’ to do it, what is being given up is too precious for ‘me’. It will have to be an experiential involvement, a powerful force (altruism) to allow the undoing of a powerful force (‘being’), and pure intent is that something outside of ‘me’ which will provide the leverage.

Well said … you cannot reason your way out. What you could do is what Geoffrey did - laugh.

Geoffrey: For a split second I saw like a veil in front of me. I saw how I could be on the other side of the ‘mirror’, on the safe side, the magical side, how I could… But there was a last second resistance: My precious! I will not give away my precious!
Later on the way back, I was thinking about this ‘precious’ thing, how only here on this tiny planet right now there are 7 billion people just as ‘unique’ and ‘precious’ as my self, when it clicked… and I burst into laughter. This was simply hilarious. Everybody is so precious. I must then be SO precious hahaha.
Every little ‘me’ waging wars against other little ‘me’ because they are so precious. Whereas they are just the same product of evolution and animal passions, with the same hiding place, the same hunger, the same dirtiness. You can’t be serious!

It doesn’t have to be a drama, it could be a comedy :wink:
Cheers Vineeto

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Fwiw, I still perceive you as having a strong social identity (guardian) which would need to be disassembled.

That’s interesting because I don’t experience myself to be a member to the various groups that make up one’s social identity such as being a man, being polish/english, career, religious belief, family affiliations, nowadays I’m not even a boyfriend to @Sonyaxx which brings up various interesting comments from people :laughing:

I’m intrigued what specifically do you perceive to be indicative of a strong social identity?

Although the general point is still somewhat moot because the social identity does not need to be eliminated prior to self immolation.

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What I’m experiencing now is that actually there is no good reason not to do it. There is no valid objection that is possible. It seems to be more a matter of acquiescing to no longer wait …

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I could be totally off base. Who you are to me, your ‘I’, is your mom, your gf, your work and activities (hen party, martial arts). Those things are who I identify you as. Your posts seem like a lot of ‘I’ to me. Also I identify you as one who is doing great toward becoming af with having a lot of posts about what you are doing and how great you are doing. Please disregard if I am totally wrong.
My understanding is the social identity (guardian) does need to be disassembled for one to be af.

Ok what I would say is that if you look at the words you wrote :

Then consider if you are indeed perceiving a strong social identity or if you are projecting one?

Hey I did it with @claudiu around the time of the rift thread, where I projected a ‘golden boy of actualism’ identity onto him and then riled against the authority that he was apparently wielding with it.

There is of course still an ‘I’ writing these words so you are not wrong when you say that :

It is ‘I’ that has a job to do after all, and no one else can do it. Besides what alternative would you have? Perhaps still an ‘I’ but an ego less one? A humbled ‘I’?

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Yes, I could be projecting a strong social identity on you. The post I replied to seemed like you were asking why you still haven’t self-immolated so I offered the impression I have of you. I was basing this on what Vineeto said about Peter not being able to get past his guardian (social identity) and returning to where he had friends and family.
Your spot on in that I have expected an ego less or a more humbled ‘I’. My intention was strictly to try and offer constructive feedback.
Btw, I do think you are doing great so keep up the good work and keep your posts coming. Your posts have been helpful to me.

But remember that Peter did become actually free of the instinctual passions and the feeling being formed thereof, what he didn’t do is go all the way into a meaning of life actual freedom, which only Richard and Vineeto have done.

Yes, that is correct. So are you saying that you want to hang on to your social identity and not go all the way?

Hi James,

The subthread here is based on the mistaken understanding here:

This is incorrect — the social identity/guardian goes only after one is basically free. It is one of the steps to go from basic actual freedom to full actual freedom.

No, it does not need to be disassembled to become actually free.

The reason can’t be that the social identity hasn’t been disassembled, because that is not a prerequisite for becoming actually free.

But that happened once Peter already was actually free.

But now you shifted the topic from becoming basically free to becoming fully free. It’s not the same thing.

Does it make sense now? Your suggestion that Kuba isn’t free because he still has a social identity is a non sequitur, because one doesn’t need to fully dissolve this social identity before becoming actually free.

Hope it clarifies!

Cheers,
Claudiu

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Yes, I understand one doesn’t need to fully dissolve this social identity before becoming actually free.
What I was questioning is if someone wants to hang on to the social identity until after they are actually free. It sounds like saying I get to keep my social identity for now and not try to dissolve it until later.

Yes, that is correct. So are you saying that you want to hang on to your social identity and not go all the way?

No I am not saying that at all, it seems you are still under the impression that there is a strong social identity that wants to be maintained.

Perhaps you are confusing my writing about the various aspects of my day to day life with a desire to maintain a strong social identity? Let’s remember that actualism is not about heading off to the cave in order to purify oneself. I can still exist firmly in the marketplace whilst applying the method. At the end of the day I do have a partner, I sometimes spend time with my family, I do have a hobby, I do go to work, occasionally I go out with friends and party etc. So why not write about these?

I am also questioning myself here. At the end of the day I really don’t know about your social identity and what you should do.
I ended it finally with my ex-wife because I was still psychically connected to her a very long time after we had split up. It is not about whether one has a partner or spends time with family and friends. To me it is about whether one has a feeling connection to them. I still had a feeling connection to my ex after all that time and chose to finally end it.

Nice so I think we are getting more clarity here now. This is actually very interesting because when I consider the quality/nature of any remaining ‘feeling connections’ it is very different to how it was in the past. I am reminded of Devika’s writing in Richard’s journal :

Consequently, intimacy has replaced love, benevolence has replaced compassion, benignity has replaced pacifism, magnanimity has replaced forgiveness, innocence has replaced humility, probity has replaced virtue, equity has replaced justice. In short, altruism, philanthropy and humaneness have replaced duty, obligation and responsibility.

Which is interesting to consider because it is not that the ‘feeling connections’ have been cut, instead they are being made virtually redundant by the qualities originating from pure intent. I notice for example that what was in the past a constant need to feel others out has shifted to a keen interest in the other.

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