Hi Kuba,
Ah, I understand now. You were reminded of yourself being similarly ‘muddled’ as the commentator once was in the ‘Global Warming’ thread. It is always astounding – and ‘Vineeto’ experienced it regularly – how the moment a feeling takes hold, any clear thinking goes out the window. Hence the suggestion to get back to feeling good before contemplating about the trigger which had caused a diminishment in enjoying and appreciating being alive.
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Vineeto: Yes, when you have fully grasped “the totality and irrevocability of ‘my’ demise” there will be no doubts left. No phoenix can rise from the ashes – there won’t be any ashes.
I read Srinath becoming-free-report again and this part stood out –Srinath: That night I stood in the balcony knowing that something was required to convince me to let go of the controls. I kept thinking about that last piece of pizza that was me and what the reason could there be to ‘die’? It seemed like I was hanging on by a very thin thread that stayed firmly in place. At that point I saw my girlfriend lying on the couch and once again I could see that what was separating us was ‘me’. I went out to the balcony and looked down and saw some people walking. I could see that even though everything was nearly perfect that last little bit of ‘me’ was there separating myself from everyone else on this planet and spoiling perfection. The spoonful that weighed a tonne. ‘I’ would roar back into full existence creating havoc for this body and every body, given half a chance. I had to ‘die’ so that this body and every other body could live peacefully. I would need to truly die. The enormity of this dawned on me suddenly like it never had before. The enormity of what I had to give up. It took my breath away. Suddenly I felt a twinge of sadness that emerged from me like a thin pungent streak. But it cut-off abruptly as if in mid-air, still-born.
Nothing else happened.
It was all over in about 2 seconds. (Srinath Report of Becoming Free)
Kuba: Hmm it’s quite fascinating, it seems to me that I have had glimpses of this, especially the past week or so there has been times with that kind of experiencing, where it seems it could have happened at any moment. BUT there was always this sense of choice, that I could go this way or that way, rather than it being an inevitability, which I presume is where the enormity of it can be fully grasped.
Ha, don’t postpone the exploring the enormity of the fact that you will need to cease ‘being’ in your totality because at present you don’t experience “it being an inevitability”. Again, it is in your hands how much you allow ‘self’-immolation to become an obsession as Srinath described it well in the lead-up to his own event –
Srinath: I was getting more and more obsessed with my ending. I was like an excited kid with a new video game! Self-immolation was the first thing I thought about in the morning and the last thing at night. I began to feel ever more strongly that I was on the brink of something. I was revving up my desire and then revving it up some more to paraphrase Richard. On the 29/10/18 I had a spectacular and very vivid dream that I had become actually free. I woke up in bed at 3am right after and felt clear and wondrous, with no trace of ‘me’ that I could discern. In retrospect this was obviously a PCE but I wanted to be free so badly I ended up twisting it into an ASC. I thought maybe this could be the first ever case of someone self-immolating in a dream… I mean who’s to say! Lol. I had been here before though and smelled a rat. I was able to get myself out of it quickly. Rather than dissuade me, I took the dream as a good omen. It seemed that my entire psyche was in alignment with the goal. It fuelled my determination even more. I resolved to bust through any number of false doors if need be, until I found the genuine one-way door marked self-immolation.
I spend the days prior to the event, wondering about self-immolation constantly and this preoccupation brought about a change to the atmosphere around me. I was constantly in a state of excellence, but there was also this sense of imminence of what was about to happen and that was very thrilling. I really want to keep ‘me’ in my sights at all times. I didn’t need any more PCE’s. I had more than enough of these. No wriggling out and trying to buy time. Richard had said that I needed to want it like nothing before. (Srinath Report of Becoming Free)
Kuba: The words “it could happen” means that ‘I’ still have a choice, some wiggle room, and where there is wiggle room, ‘I’ wiggle out!
Reading Srinath’s words, ‘he’ had no choice at that pivotal moment of seeing – “I would need to truly die. The enormity of this dawned on me suddenly like it never had before. The enormity of what I had to give up. It took my breath away.”
You do realise, do you, that Srinath had no choice because he gave himself no longer a choice? He wanted it so totally (“I wanted to be free so badly”) that there was no question of backing out again, and even a PCE-come-ASC could not divert him from his destiny.
It seems to me that unless you put all your eggs in one basket and thus increase the intensity of wanting it like you never ever wanted anything before, you’ll be dilly-dallying until your hair go grey.
Kuba: Indeed it looks that for altruism to be activated there can be no choice left for ‘me’, only the seeing which triggers “immediate and irrevocable action”.
It is as if ‘I’ have been progressively removing the various choices, that is the very aspect of approaching ‘my’ destiny, but there is still currently some wiggle room left, and so ‘I’ can go on for a little longer. (link)
It sounds like you are merely theorizing when you say “it looks that” and “it is as if” and that you have not yet fully engaged in finding the definite answer. This was the question ‘Richard’ asked ‘himself’ back in 1981 – it gave ‘him’ the courage and stamina and persistence to go all the way –
Alan: Am ‘I’ really willing to sacrifice ‘my’ self to allow this to happen?
Richard: The question that the ‘I’ that was inhabiting this body back in 1981 asked was: ‘what am I saving myself for’?
Alan: And yet, ‘I’ know it is inevitable, if I am to fulfil my destiny.
Richard: Aye, to escape one’s fate and achieve one’s destiny is what one is alive for: being here – now – is the very reason one was born.
Alan: As you said in one of your posts (approximately), it is an irresistible pull, a momentum and impetus which is not of ‘my’ doing.
Richard: Yes, once altruistically set in motion, a momentum happens of its own accord. One knows, from the perfection of freedom from the human condition as evidenced in the PCE, that it is possible to live the actuality which is already always here.
What ‘I’ do is unreservedly allow ‘my’ eventual demise to occur … pure intent, born out of the connection between one’s inherent naiveté and the perfection of the infinitude of this physical universe, will provide one with the necessary intestinal fortitude.
And once embarked upon the wide and wondrous path to an actual freedom, you are not on your own: this perfection is with you all the way … but if you waver, you are indeed doing it on your own …’. [Emphases added]. (Richard, AF List, Alan-b, 13 Dec 1999).
Cheers Vineeto