Vineeto: I have seen it happen with the woman of Indian birth (link). During the intense interaction which preceded her moment of becoming actually free she first talked about her deeply felt universal sorrow for all feeling beings including animals and her urgent question why that was so, and after Richard and I explained the nature of universal sorrow, her feelings turned to doubt, which was then followed by fear. As the conversation went on, she arrived back at her question of ‘why’ there is universal sorrow, only to be followed again by doubt and then fear once more, followed then by cycling back to her question of ‘why’. This pattern went on several times until I was able to point out how she was going round and round in a circle with the same question and the same feelings. She went another round, and was able to recognize the pattern herself … and her mind became very quiet.
Richard was then able to talk to her about actual time – that it is always now and that the person who arrived at the airport no longer existed, even the person who walked through the door a couple of hours ago no longer existed. She agreed and as she agreed she experienced time standing still … and the rest is history. (…)
I am not sure if that made things clearer for you.
Kuba: Ah ok I see what you were getting at now… Yes there is no sense in ‘me’ blaming ‘myself’ for going around in circles and neither should ‘I’ necessarily try to cover this up or deflect into something else, there is something key here.
Ultimately this is all that ‘I’ can do until ‘I’ don’t. See ‘I’ took it in the flavour of some kind of a “telling off” – here goes ‘Kuba’ being cunning once more and going around in circles etc. But the key thing is to recognise the pattern, that as an identity this is all that ‘I’ can do, to put it off some more by going around in circles.
‘I’ did begin to see the pattern hence I asked Claudiu if perhaps it has been obvious to all but not ‘me’ haha.
It is natural to first perceive it as “some kind of a “telling off”” and I am glad you could recognize that this is not the case. The more you become familiar with this ‘pattern’ and recognize the furphy (furphy (Austral. Slang): a false report or rumour; an absurd story. (Oxford Dictionary)) it actually is, the quicker you can abandon it.
Kuba: Would it be correct to say that for the woman of Indian birth it was the recognition of the pattern which precipitated the apperceptive seeing which ended ‘her’? Of course the passionate involvement had to be there in the first place for any of this to happen.
Yes, it caused her frantically busy mind to stop long enough to allow the process of her demise to complete with the help of recognizing that there is only this moment which is actual. She had already confidently and passionately stated actual freedom as her goal from the very start.
Kuba: I described the other day how during the PCE at 18 I saw ‘myself’ as an “echo playing on repeat”, of course this ‘echo’ can only go round and round in circles. But if ‘I’ am to find a way to allow ‘myself’ to be seen like so, this can be the end of ‘me’.
I wonder if this will make much sense for you but this is what I can see so far from what you wrote. (link)
You are still trying to do something – you have already seen (and remembered) the “echo playing on repeat”. Nothing more to do – be here and enjoy and appreciate letting the universe live you. It must be one of the hardest things for you to do.
Cheers Vineeto