Journal de Henry

Actually re-reading this, how could love ever be part of self immolation when the very energy of love is so utterly self centred, for anyone who explored love this is plainly visible. ‘I’ generate love for ‘my’ sake, it is ‘my’ object of love that delivers ‘me’ temporary salvation from what ‘I’ am deep down. It would be a circular act to try to self immolate out of love.

Richard first began by aiming to love devika fully and completely, and this set him on a path of seeing that love could never deliver what he was aiming for, love was simply lacking.

I think this is the thing that is so difficult to see, that there is something far superior than love, but that thing can be found even before self immolation.

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Well, there is this:

“When this is all over there will be no ‘being’ at all. Thus when ‘I’ willingly self-immolate – psychologically and psychically – then ‘I’ am making the most noble sacrifice that ‘I’ can make for oneself and all humankind … for ‘I’ am what ‘I’ hold most dear. It is ‘my’ moment of accomplishment. It is ‘my’ crowning achievement … it makes ‘my’ petty life all worth while. It is not an event to be missed … ‘I’ go out in a blaze of glory.”

And similarly ‘I’ am a fantasy, I do not exist (except in my own imagination). Since ‘I’ am my feelings and my feelings are ‘me,’ then love remains (until it doesn’t)

But I agree with what you’re saying, it’s not ‘using love’ that makes one free, it’s being increasingly happy and harmless, sensible, having fidelity and fascination to the facts.

The fantasies depend on ‘my’ loves, facts depend on the actual world. When I’m more interested in the facts than I am in chasing ‘my’ loves and fears, then ‘I’ can choose to self-immolate.

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The one-time altruistic choice must be related to love though. I’ll see if I can find Richard talking about that at all

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[Richard]: ‘There is an intrinsic trait common to all sentient beings: self-sacrifice. It manifests in humans in the way that ‘I’ will passionately defend ‘myself’ and ‘my group’ to the death if it is deemed necessary. All of ‘my’ instincts – the instinctive drive for biological survival – come to the fore when psychologically and psychically threatened, for ‘I’ am confused about ‘my’ presence, confounding ‘my’ survival and the body’s survival. Nevertheless, ‘my’ survival being paramount could not be further from the truth, for ‘I’ need play no part any more in perpetuating physical existence (which is the primal purpose of the instinctual animal ‘self’). ‘I’ am no longer necessary at all. In fact, ‘I’ am nowadays a hindrance. With all of ‘my’ beliefs, values, creeds, ethics and other doctrinaire disabilities, ‘I’ am a menace to the body. ‘I’ am ready to die (to allow the body to be killed) for a cause and ‘I’ will willingly sacrifice physical existence for a ‘Noble Ideal’ … and reap ‘my’ post-mortem reward: immortality.

This is called altruism … albeit misplaced.

Thus when ‘I’ willingly and irremunerably ‘self’-immolate in toto – both psychologically and psychically – then ‘I’ am making the most noble sacrifice that ‘I’ can make for this body and that body and every body … for ‘I’ am what ‘I’ hold most dear. It is ‘my’ moment of glory. It is ‘my’ crowning achievement … it makes ‘my’ petty life all worth while. It is not an event to be missed … to physically die without having experienced what it is like to become dead is such a waste of a life.

Now, it is ‘me’ who is responsible for an action that results in ‘my’ own demise – without really doing the expunging itself (and I am not being tricky here) – as it is ‘me’ who is the initiator of bringing about this sacrifice in that ‘I’ deliberately and consciously, and with knowledge aforethought from a pure consciousness experience (PCE), set in motion a ‘process’ that will ensure ‘my’ demise (‘I’ do not really end ‘myself’ in that ‘I’ do not do the deed itself for ‘I’ cannot end ‘myself’). What ‘I’ do, voluntarily and intentionally (cheerfully and blessedly), is press the button which precipitates a, oft-times alarming but always thrilling, momentum which will result in ‘my’ irrevocable ‘self’-immolation in toto. What one does is that one dedicates oneself to the challenge of being just here, right now, as the universe’s experience of itself … peace-on-earth is the inevitable result because it is already always existing (‘I’ was merely standing in the way of it being apparent).

The act of initiating this ‘process’ is altruism, pure and simple: it is a rather curious decision – a decision the likes of which has never been made before nor will ever be made again – that it is imperative it be ‘me’ who will evince the final and complete condition which will deliver the goods so longed for by humanity for millennia … whereupon that thrilling momentum takes over and one realises one has embarked already (and once that impetus gets going one cannot ‘un-set’ the pace).
There is no pulling back – which is why most people do not want to set it in motion – because once one has started one cannot stop. It is a one-way trip – that is the thrilling part of it – and with application and diligence and patience and perseverance, born out of the pure intent garnered from the PCE, the exposure of the inner workings of one’s psyche (which is the human psyche) will readily occur in the course of everyday events due to ‘my’ concurrence … one cannot help but become fascinated for this means the end of the predicament which humankind has been agonising over for aeons.

Any reluctance to become fascinated is because of the ‘no turning back’ aspect.

After fascination comes obsession wherein one cannot leave it alone any more – or rather it does not leave one alone – and that is when that tempo picks ‘me’ up and ‘I’ am borne along on the adventure of a lifetime as it is inevitable that one is to meet one’s destiny … it being what one is here for.

An eagerness takes over – one feels alive, vital, dynamic – and things happen serendipitously such that ‘I’ can no longer distinguish between ‘me’ doing it and it happening to ‘me’ … and this is exhilarating for one is fully doing this business of being alive – doing it here on earth in this lifetime as this body – and it is all happening now of its own accord. This moment is happening and all the while one is doing it the doing is happening of itself … then one is the experiencing of the happening.

And this is wonderful.

RICHARD: As altruism is epitomised by the parental instinct to fight to the death to protect progeny – and, by extension, to defend family-tribe-clan in general – it has more than just a passing similarity to nurture anyway … altruism is not divorced from the instinctual passions.

Other instinctual impulses also come into play … territoriality and gregariousness (the herd instinct) for instance.

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We’re put in the position of admitting that “someone we love” is not perfect, in other words ‘they can’t save us’ which means the fantasy has a hole in it.

This is also why we cycle through love & hate with partners, because we’re alternately believing in the fantasy and believing that we’re doomed (because they’re not good enough to save us).

(“Perhaps I can be good enough to save myself??” (Via someone else saving me… of course :joy: :joy:))

Wait… this is the salvation I’ve been looking for. The only thing is I’m not there. And it’s unrelated to any fantasies or love. Interesting…

This only seems to indicate that all the passions including nurture are used but not love specifically. Love requires nurture to exist but love is not the same as nurture. Love is sourced in the instinctual passions but it is more of a ‘construct’ consisting of the passions, beliefs, expectations etc that create what we call love.

I tend to use ‘love’ a bit loosely as a catch-all for all the ‘positive’ (loving) emotions, that could explain the meaning

Yeah I thought so haha whereas when I mention love I tend to mean specifically the myth of romantic/true love hence the confusion.

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So we’re in agreement - I’m trying to escape from all the (approval-seeking) fantasies that are involved in ‘normal love’ / ‘romantic love’

and it seems that an aspect of that escape is the nurture instinct as altruism to ‘do the best for humanity’ - which actually does have a note of ‘approval-seeking’ in it.

So it’s like targeted approval-seeking.

Being the universe experiencing itself is the best thing for me and for everyone… ‘I’ approve of that… even knowing that it will end ‘me’.

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It seems that whatever reason ‘I’ have for allowing self immolation has to be genuine with the entirety of ‘my’ being. In that sense it could be anything, anything that allows this ‘being’ to decide 100% to allow his own demise.

But looking to overcome your issues with love right now by using the future goal of self immolation in order to somewhat ‘convince’ yourself that love is not the answer right now I’m not in agreement with.

It’s like when I was trying to escape the stress of the buying a house situation by looking ahead to some idealised form of decision making which exists after actual freedom as opposed to looking exactly what that whole emotional structure consisted of in ‘me’.

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I’ve been seeing that I’m naturally motivated to chase the fantasies - this is evident in the fact that I fall into fantasy a lot.

So I’ve been trying to figure out how to redirect this energy toward becoming free in a way that sticks / can finish the job

Seeing last night that the fantasies are always about approval-seeking seems useful. I can see how it’s of limited utility to want approval from others. Yet, it seems to be something that ‘I’ really want.

The key in this is finding something that sticks for me. I’m trying to find the most sincere part of myself.

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I’m trying to gather all my energy in one place.

Yeah it’s an interesting one for sure, I am just sharing my thoughts here btw, not anything too concrete.

But it seems that any form of approval seeking will always lead ‘me’ back to remaining in the ‘group’.

I remember reading (I think Vineeto) write that those other ‘entities’ will never give ‘me’ permission to leave the fold and yet ‘I’ must decide to self immolate anyways even if the entire world is against it. After all ‘I’ am abandoning all of humanity, will ‘they’ truly approve this?

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There’s a component of knowing that they won’t ‘actively approve’ - I figured that out recently when Jonny and edzd were in town, it was clear that my friends would most likely never understand actualism.

But still thinking that it’s the best thing for them for me to become free (and eventually for everyone to become free).

It’s a bit like being a parent of a child that wants to do nothing but play video games and eat candy all day.

The kid hates that you’re not letting them play video games and eat candy all day, but as a parent you have knowledge they don’t have and a caring that doesn’t allow you to take the ‘easy road’ of doing what they want.

So then I’m leaving the fold, but I’m also motivated by ‘humanity’ (nurture).

And of course experientially supported by the universe every step of the way - and in the end it’s the universe that ‘frees me.’

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This reminds me of Richard talking about having to be the biggest megalomaniac ever to become free

I have to think that I have it right and literally everyone else has it wrong! And that I’m doing all this for their own good. Phew!

At times this audacity – that it will be me who does it – approaches megalomania … after all, one thinks, who am I to think that I can break through the impasse that has baffled humankind for millennia? As long as one does not succumb to delusions of grandeur, a healthy dose of what appears to be megalomania is appropriate … otherwise one is held back by the mediocrity of those who say you can not do it. You can. The only requirement is that one be a human being – and that I hereby devote my entire life to breaking through to the perfection and peace that is lying open all around right now … if only I had the eyes to see it. It takes great courage and fortitude to fly in the face of all those ‘would be’s’ and ‘want to be’s’ who, alas, only talk about it. One has to do it … because, after all is said and done, it is my life that I am living.

The other thing that comes to mind here is this tendency (I’ve done this lots) of using the concept of self immolation as an escape to my problems now.

Let’s say you don’t self immolate for the next 1 year, what are you going to do about this fantasising in the meantime if you want to be happy and harmless now?

Because having the audacity to go for it is not necessarily the same as indulging in fantasy of being special.

What if you were to turn the quest around a little and focus not on becoming free, but focus on being happy and harmless now, then what do you do with this fantasising and approval seeking? Is there a way out of it that can be applied now as opposed to waiting for self immolation to release you?

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That’s an interesting thought. From that perspective what I’m looking for motivation toward / energy for, is being happy and harmless now. Enjoying and appreciating now.

I think it is related because right now (apparently) I’d rather fantasize about someone loving me than I would be happy and harmless with my life the way it is. So ‘I’ need to know why it’s worth being happy and harmless over fantasizing.

The approval-seeking/fantasizing is there so I stay in the group / protect the group / produce lots more little humans.

Happy and harmless is so that I and everyone else can have the best possible life, above and beyond the instincts/self/humanity.

Even being a bit more happy and harmless, I’m succeeding in this incrementally. I’d rather contribute to the well-being of people than contribute as I have to the ruckus of humanity.

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One can happily and harmlessly reflect on the fantasy, flush it out in it’s entirety and compare it to this current moment of being alive. One can happily and harmlessly note how this is the only moment happening in the entire universe. One can happily and harmlessly experience with full awareness the zillion intricacies of having a body living in space. One can happily and harmlessly receive any and all insights that will definitely occur when one does these things. And one can happily and harmlessly revel in the confidence that such acts can be performed at any time and such insights will be repeated during those times.

edit: every time you indulge in a feeling be it fantasy or what, you are consciously moving away from an actual freedom. Every time you move towards the senses and this only moment of being alive, you are moving towards an actual freedom. A friend told me Richard said that or something like it to him personally.

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Indeed- which makes me wonder what I think I’m accomplishing when I ever feel sad.

It’s definitely a bizarre phenomenon that we may chose a sadness over happiness. After we know at any moment we can opt out of the sadness yet we feel trapped within it. This is peculiar.

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I think sorrow comes after fear - ‘me’ feeling sorry for myself that something has made me scared

Then I can look at whatever the specific fear-trigger is and remove that belief