Ed: 4. I hate to ask but does this out-from-control state relate to enlightenment in any way, hence the caution to proceed without pure intent fully in place? I notice the “doer” features a lot in their discourse, however the “Absolute” doesn’t feature in being out-from-control.
Vineeto: If you hate to ask this you probably already know the answer. It does not. Without “pure intent fully in place” you still have to be weary of the temptation but then you need pure intent operating to be in a different way of being. Only Richard, in the absence of a precedent, had to go through enlightenment – this is no longer necessary and it would be very silly to allow oneself to become enlightened due to being seduced by unexamined ‘good’ feelings.
Ed: I found this quote you included in response to Ian to be very helpful:
Richard: Lastly, because the terms ‘doer’ and ‘beer’ are utilised in religio-spiritual/ mystico-metaphysical literature to refer to ‘ego’ and ‘soul’, respectively, it is apposite to point out here that those terms are not being used thataway when referring to the doer being abeyant, and the beer ascendant, in either a near-PCE – else IE’s and EE’s would instead be ASC’s (i.e., egoless) and thus not near-PCE’s – or when in an out-from-control virtual freedom. (Richard, List D, Srinath2, #out-from-control)
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I thought of your question when I found and posted the above quote to Alexander. (link)
At any time you read what actualists write, especially Richard, Geoffrey and myself, keep in mind that actualism is the third alternative to materialism and spiritualism and has nothing at all to do with the concepts of either materialism and spiritualism. They both operate within the human condition.
The sooner you grasp that actualism is something entirely new to human consciousness, the sooner you will understand more of what is written and be able to clear the workbench and start afresh, i.e. unlearn/decline what you have been taught as “the Truth”.
Cheers Vineeto