In this case it’s wondering if the ‘doer’ / ‘beer’ word choice had anything to do with the ‘doer’/‘beer’ language in spiritaulity. There are plenty of cases of Richard using spiritual vocabulary. What’s becoming clear is that any spiritual understanding of a word cannot be useful since the words and understandings stem from spiritual experiences and not from entirely new to human experience experiences that actualist pioneers are navigating.
“Schools” was intentionally put into quotations understanding it may not be the best word and was being used by its definition “a style, approach, or method of a specified character.” I’m just trying to keep it simple and am attempting to express a boundary without laboriously expounding clarification.
The mistake is equating Richard’s use of the words “beer/dooer” to the spiritualist’s use of the words and thinking that something could be gleaned from their writing. I can tell you that it’s neither of the options you present me but there are other avenues worth exploring. I’d be happy to navigate that with you in good faith if you’re interested.
Because you didn’t answer the initial question directly, “does being out-from-control guarantee you’ll feel good?..Can you elaborate on the potential for the ‘bad’ and ‘good’ emotions while being out-from-control?” Looking back on the correspondence, you don’t address that question. You state you were consistently being naivete for 4 1/2 weeks with a disruption of 3 days and then tell me to work out the math as if I care about the length of the disruption. I’m not presenting a “gotcha” question. You told me you were being naivete for 4 and 1/2 weeks with a disruption of 3 days. I’m asking if being out-from-control was disrupted for those 3 days. Obviously being naivete was disrupted. Are they one-in-the-same? Perhaps that’s where the confusion on my end is and you can tell me as much.
I’m trying to understand if it’s a permanent state or not. And if it is permanent why the detour and can being out-from-control include the ‘bad/good’ feelings? Or, does one cease being out-from-control the moment they arise? Why is it different from an ongoing EE to necessitate it’s own vocabulary? Even at the end of your last post you describe it as a disruption of an ongoing excellence experience - not a disruption of being out-from-control. If the two are the same, then an EE is synonymous with being out-from-control.
Given what you’ve said, am I understanding correctly that you were out-from-control, and then no longer out-from-control for 3-days, only to resume being out-from-control?
If you’re wondering why I’m asking questions then the best way to find out is by answering directly so the conversation can proceed. While it may be obvious to you that the event (a disruption during the best example of being out-from-control) most likely won’t have any relevance to those aspiring to become actually free - it may not be so obvious to me. I don’t know what to tell you other than my questions are coming from a genuine place.