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Hi Hunterad,

This is such a great description of seeing that ‘I’ am ‘my’ feelings, this bit in particular :

I am putting a big asterisk around this for myself. So once ‘I’ am done chasing ‘my’ own tail and finally see/admit that ‘I’ am the ‘man behind the curtain’ it is all over. Ineed this is exactly what happens. This is what Geoffrey was imparting to me and Claudiu the other day, “when ‘I’ am whole, feeling good is a choice”.

And now also to put a big asterisk around the fact that such sincere seeing you described could easily be watered down to another ‘actualist recipe’ with which ‘I’ could split ‘myself’ haha!

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Haha, yep. There is no limit to what I am capable of repurposing for self-sustainment. I got interested in actualism in 2012 and I have spent more time reading, watching, chatting, and thinking about Actualism than anything else in my life… and yet am still perfectly capable of skipping the very first step of the actualism method… in fact I’m sure that skipping that first step is why I’ve been at it for so long.

• [Richard]: ‘Perhaps the following summary of the way the actualism method works in practice may be of assistance:

1. Activate sincerity so as to make possible a pure intent to bring about peace and harmony sooner rather than later.

2. Set the standard of experiencing, each moment again, as feeling felicitous/ innocuous to whatever degree humanly possible come-what-may.

3. Where felicity/ innocuity is not occurring find out why not.

4. Seeing the silliness at having those felicitous/ innocuous feelings be usurped, by either the negative or positive feelings, for whatever reason that might be automatically restores felicity/ innocuity.

5. Repeated occurrences of the same reason for felicity/ innocuity loss alerts pre-recognition of impending dissipation which enables pre-emption and ensures a more persistent felicity/ innocuity through habituation.

6. Habitual felicity/ innocuity, and its concomitant enjoyment and appreciation, facilitates naïve sensuosity … a consistent state of wide-eyed wonder, amazement, marvel, and delight.

7. That naiveté, in conjunction with felicitous/ innocuous sensuosity, being the nearest a ‘self’ can come to innocence, allows *the overarching benignity and benevolence* inherent to the infinitude this infinite and eternal and perpetual universe actually is *to operate more and more freely*.

8. With this intrinsic benignity and benevolence, which has nothing to do with ‘me’ and ‘my’ doings, *freely operating* one is the experiencing of what is happening … and the magical fairy-tale-like paradise, which this verdant and azure earth actually is, is sweetly apparent in all its scintillating brilliance.

9. But refrain from possessing it and making it your own … or else ‘twill vanish as softly as it appeared. [emphases added]. (Richard, Actual Freedom List, No. 118, 16 June 2006)).

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>>Vineeto: And here continues the watering-down of the actualism method – first remove ‘effort’, i.e. determination, then postpone the disappearance of the “internal split” until you are actually free and now assuming that everything is a matter of truly just preferences” and nothing else. I only list them like this to demonstrate how the identity “will get up to all kinds of tricks to retain and regain its ascendancy” so you can recognize further tricks as such when they occur.
Putting everything on a preference basis may not be sufficient to further in-depth exploration (when strong fears and desires interfere with feeling good), especially when you call them “truly just preferences”. But when you have the intent to leave no stone unturned in order to blatantly imitate the actual, you will be successful.

>Adam-H: I want to clarify what I was saying here a bit. It was more like a thought experiment where I was trying to show myself how the things I cared about were not just preferences. I was basically pointing out to myself that “if the things I cared about were just preferences” then it would be deeply obvious that feeling bad was silly… which is not currently the case. The purpose of this contemplation was to try to bring myself closer to my feelings and heal that ‘internal split’.

Hi Adam,

Thank you for your clarification – it seems I unnecessarily jumped into the middle of your recording your thought-processes.

>Adam-H: I did end up having success again healing that internal split this morning however, and I want to note down how it happened again for future reference. Also it was again so interesting how the instant that internal split went away I was instantly back to feeling good in a really deep and wholehearted way that continued throughout the entire day and improved how I related to everyone.

The way the split resolved was by noticing that I was again in a similar trap as my recent ‘virtuous impatience’. Essentially what is happening is this:

  1. initial feeling occurs

  2. I look at the feeling, categorize it, and start emotionally reacting to it in a way that I pass of as part of actualism

  3. I begin an internal narrative about how actualism works including telling myself to feel the feeling and comprehend that “I am my feelings and my feelings are me”. Also telling myself to not fight the feeling etc.

  4. Sometimes the narrative goes a step further even, where I am imagining myself explaining how the method works to others.

  5. At this point I often am paying attention to the feeling in the body, and continuing to call it ‘work stress’ or whatever it was to start with, even though in fact now I am “being” anything from ‘virtuous impatience’ to ‘frustrated despair’ which all stem from actualistic identity.

  6. What happens to end it all is when I truly turn attention back around to look squarely at myself and what I am “being.” When I manage to catch a glimpse of the ‘man behind the curtain’ it’s all over in an instant. I am left feeling foolish and naive at how I was carrying on and fueling that malice and sorrow, feeling good pervades my entire body and mind in a way that leaves no doubt.

Of course, calling it ‘catching a glimpse’ is maybe a bit misleading. It’s ‘me’ after all who is playing tricks on ‘me’, so it’s more about sincerity than skill or agility of some sort.

As Kuba already said (link), this is in excellent description of how the actualism method works for you with immediate results once you hit point 6 in your inquiries. That’s when there is no splitting oneself into parts but you perceive yourself “what I am “being”.”

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>>Vineeto: The “internal split” will disappear once you recognize, at the core of your ‘being’, that you are as sad and as mad and as bad as everyone else, i.e. that you are instilled with the instinctual passions and its consequent social identity. Upon this penetrating recognition you can stop fighting to hide any occurring bad feelings and their twins of ‘good’ feelings. In other words you recognize each time that ‘I’ am my feelings and my feeling are ‘me’. Then putting the actualism method into practice as described in Richard’s article linked above should be a breeze.

>Adam-H: This is fascinating and also links up with what you said in your response to Kuba (link) about solutions in the real world typically being all show and no substance. The internal split is all a big diversion I put on to avoid admitting that I am the problem. As soon as the sincerity to admit it is there the solution is indeed a breeze. (link)

Indeed, most of ‘my’ protestations about any feelings occurring originate in how I want to see myself and how others see me – a good person, a clever person, a good actualist, a successful (… fill in your own aspersions). When ‘I’ genuinely admit “I am the problem” each time, then there is really only one solution – dissolution – and that can be ultimately scary at the start.

But this is where enjoying and appreciating this moment of being alive come in, it is what you do in the meantime, until you cannot maintain your ‘self’ any longer. And “the means to the end – an ongoing enjoyment and appreciation – are no different to the end”. (This Moment of Being Alive, 4th Banner)

>>Richard: In order to facilitate a PCE happening, one needs to see the place pride and humility plays in one’s life. ‘I’ am proud of ‘my’ major achievement … which is maintaining ‘myself’ as an identity. ‘I’ will do anything but relinquish ‘my’ grip on this flesh-and-blood body, including humbling ‘myself’ before some God in order to ameliorate the pernicious effects of pride. However, humility is merely the antidote to pride … and they feed of each other, continuously. For example, one cannot but feel proud of one’s accomplishment of self-abasing humility … it is in the nature of the entity to do so. A humbled self is still a self, nonetheless, leaving one proud of one’s performance. When one realises how silly all this is; when one sees that pride and humility are standing in the way of freedom from all self centred activity, something astounding occurs. ‘I’ vanish. I am simply here where I have always been … and pride, with its companion in arms, humility, has disappeared along with all the other feelings. (Richard’s Journal, Article Seventeen, p. 127)

Cheers Vineeto

I’ve read this before but I don’t think I ever really got it. The last few times I have gotten back to feeling good there was a clear recognizable moment of relinquishing pride before I was able to feel good again.

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I’ve been having an experience lately where, having seen the direct rewards of healing the ‘internal split’, I’m becoming so much more willing to disclose my feelings to myself no matter how petty or unpleasant. This is in turn leading to a positive feedback mechanism where success is leading to more success.

I’ve been thinking of actualism in terms of two ‘modes of failure’. One is “can’t get back to feeling good” the other is “won’t get back to feeling good”. When it feels more like a “can’t” that’s the sign I’m deceiving myself and i need to dial up the ‘being my own best friend’ energy and get to a place where I can clearly recognize what feeling I am ‘being’. I think the DhO pseudo-actualism practice history is what made it so difficult to figure this out, but I’ve made huge progress on this side lately.

When it feels more like a “won’t” that’s when I need to focus more on things like rememorating feeling good and contemplating things like:

Put it this way: do you have the intent to spend the remainder of your life on this verdant planet having malice and sorrow as a backdrop to your every waking moment?
Mailing List 'B' James

It’s been helpful to consider both the immediate and the long term lately, in the sense that getting back to feeling good here and now is both an immediate benefit, but is also the only way forward so long as I wish to pursue the goals of peace on earth, perfect intimacy with others, etc.

I’ve been having memories of myself as a kid in summer lately - brought on by a spontaneuous and very intimate conversation I had with my girlfriend about nostalgia and remembering how we once experienced life. Instead of pursuing the bittersweet sad tinge of nostalgia, I am making an earnest attempt to re-presentiate that way of being.

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Adam-H: I’ve been having an experience lately where, having seen the direct rewards of healing the ‘internal split’, I’m becoming so much more willing to disclose my feelings to myself no matter how petty or unpleasant. This is in turn leading to a positive feedback mechanism where success is leading to more success.
I’ve been thinking of actualism in terms of two ‘modes of failure’. One is “can’t get back to feeling good” the other is “won’t get back to feeling good”. When it feels more like a “can’t” that’s the sign I’m deceiving myself and I need to dial up the ‘being my own best friend’ energy and get to a place where I can clearly recognize what feeling I am ‘being’. I think the DhO pseudo-actualism practice history is what made it so difficult to figure this out, but I’ve made huge progress on this side lately.

Hi Adam,

An excellent example of common sense and sincerity in action. I am also reminded of what you realised a while ago –

Adam-H: *It’s also clear to me how being my own best friend was missing.
It’s interesting that being your own best friend sort of has two meanings:

  1. don’t be hard on yourself for your mistakes
  2. actually want what’s best for yourself, meaning you won’t let yourself ruin your own day (8 Jan 2026)*

As your best friend you it simply won’t do to allow ‘you’ to ruin your day with pretending that you “can’t get back to feeling good” when you actually can. ‘I can’t’ is merely a feeling, especially in regards feeling good, and a feeling is not a fact.

Adam-H: When it feels more like a “won’t” that’s when I need to focus more on things like rememorating feeling good and contemplating things like:

Richard: Put it this way: do you have the intent to spend the remainder of your life on this verdant planet having malice and sorrow as a backdrop to your every waking moment? Mailing List ‘B’ James

This is such a potent contemplation – widening one’s horizon. Richard used it once for ‘Vineeto’ when ‘she’ had asked him for help, being dejected that ‘she’ would never succeed in becoming actually free –

Vineeto: I remember a little story, which happened in early 2000 – ‘Vineeto’ had had three ‘washing-machine-days’ of unabating emotional upheaval and was at ‘her’ wits end. ‘She’ asked for an audience with Richard and sitting in his living room, again broke out in tears of desperation (and of course I don’t remember the cause at all). After some time had passed, Richard asked, “do you think you would like to be like this for the rest of your life?”
This question was like a magic bullet, it instantly brought ‘Vineeto’ to her senses, literally! No way would ‘she’ want to be like this for the rest of her life, not even for the next 5 minutes! The tears stopped and, although exhausted from so much emotion, ‘she’ felt excellent right away. (Actualvineeto, Claudiu2, 31 Oct 2024)

‘Her’ previous feeling conviction that ‘I can’t’ was suddenly seen for being utterly silly, replaced by an unshakeable determination to not get the buggers (in this case ‘her’ own feelings) get ‘her’ down.

Adam-H: It’s been helpful to consider both the immediate and the long term lately, in the sense that getting back to feeling good here and now is both an immediate benefit, but is also the only way forward so long as I wish to pursue the goals of peace on earth, perfect intimacy with others, etc.

Having come this far in your reflections, you might, just for fun (nothing serious), contemplate that now is the only moment one can actively experience being alive – and the ramifications of that seen in the widest most possible context –

Richard: Needless to say, the passage of time (past, present, future) is a localised phenomenon: only this moment in eternal time actually exists … just as only this configuration in perpetuity actually exists here at this place in infinite space. Time has no duration when the immediate is the ultimate and when the relative is the absolute. This moment takes no interval at all to be here: as this form this happening is already always occurring now. Thus it is as if nothing has occurred – nor will occur – for not only is the future not here, but the past does not exist either. If there is no beginning and no end there is no middle: there are things happening, but nothing may well have happened or will happen … in actuality. Only this moment and this place and this form actually exists right here just now. (Richard, General Correspondence, Page 9a, 23 May 2000).

Adam-H: I’ve been having memories of myself as a kid in summer lately – brought on by a spontaneous and very intimate conversation I had with my girlfriend about nostalgia and remembering how we once experienced life. Instead of pursuing the bittersweet sad tinge of nostalgia, I am making an earnest attempt to re-presentiate that way of being. (link)

A fortunate choice and again, the confirmation that sincerity is the key to naiveté.

Cheers Vineeto

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Thanks @hunterad ,

Your way of explaining these points of personal integrity are inspiring.

I say integrity, because I always pick up this consistent honesty in what you write, which has always been a signature of you personality online. (I think we spoke once, many many years ago, and it was in person as well).

You have articulated something I have been struggling with for a few days. I was having some lovely moments, with something different happening, with some new and fresh thoughts happening. And then, today, I couldn’t muster it.

It was both “modes of failure “. T can’t, because of circumstances, of society etc, but also “I won’t “ because I want to defend myself in ego dramas surrounding work.

Modes of failure. Love it! As an aeronautical geek, and a closeted engineer, I won’t be forgetting “modes of failure “ any day soon!

Cheers

Andrew

Edit; your personal integrity was evident when we spoke on a video call, we never meet “in person “. In case my infamous iPad typing laziness has you wondering!

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Thanks for the response, at the risk of trying to jump to an intellectual answer - is the essential ramification of this that “All one gets by waiting is yet more waiting. Any change can only happen now”?

In any case, i will contemplate it and see what else comes up!

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Cheers, yes I think I recall a chat quite a long time ago and I really enjoyed it! Hope to see you in person at the actualism meet up wherever it may be :slight_smile:

Vineeto: Having come this far in your reflections, you might, just for fun (nothing serious), contemplate that now is the only moment one can actively experience being alive – and the ramifications of that seen in the widest most possible context –

Richard: Needless to say, the passage of time (past, present, future) is a localised phenomenon: only this moment in eternal time actually exists … just as only this configuration in perpetuity actually exists here at this place in infinite space. Time has no duration when the immediate is the ultimate and when the relative is the absolute. This moment takes no interval at all to be here: as this form this happening is already always occurring now. Thus it is as if nothing has occurred – nor will occur – for not only is the future not here, but the past does not exist either. If there is no beginning and no end there is no middle: there are things happening, but nothing may well have happened or will happen … in actuality. Only this moment and this place and this form actually exists right here just now. (Richard, General Correspondence, Page 9a, 23 May 2000).

Adam-H: Thanks for the response, at the risk of trying to jump to an intellectual answer – is the essential ramification of this that “All one gets by waiting is yet more waiting. Any change can only happen now”?

In any case, I will contemplate it and see what else comes up! (link)

Hi Adam,

Yes, “any change can only happen now” and recognizing that can be the discover how potent it is when you experience it right now, right here –

Richard: Sensuousness is the wondrous awareness of the marvel of being here now at this moment in time and this place in space – which awareness is combined with the fascination of contemplating that this moment is one’s only moment of being alive – and one is never alive at any other time than now. And, wherever one is … now … one is always here … now … even if one starts walking over to ‘there’ … now … along the way to ‘there’ … now … one is always here … now … and when one arrives ‘there’ … now … it too is here … now.

Thus awareness is an attraction to the fact that one is always here – and it is already now – and as one is already here and it is always now then one has arrived before one starts. Such delicious wonder fosters the innate condition of naiveté (which is the closest ‘I’ can get to innocence) the nourishing of which is essential if the charm of it all is to occur. The potent combination of awareness – fascinated reflective contemplation – and sensuousness produces apperception, which happens when the mind becomes aware of itself (‘I’ disappear). (Actual Freedom Library, Sensuousness)

Cheers Vineeto

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I’ve been having an experience lately of ‘determination’ in a good way the last couple days. The experience has been that I want to become actually free and I know what I need to do to get there, and it’s not even that hard. What I have to do is enjoy and appreciate this moment of being alive, and just keep doing that, without digressions into telling myself a story about what actualism is and how I am pursuing it and how I will explain it to other people in the future. When that self-centric, self-aggrandizing modus operandi is not dominant, then all the things about how easy the method is start to make sense, and it feels like all ‘I’ need to do is remember to enjoy and appreciate life and ‘I’ will effortlessly recede into the background.

This started the other day when out on a nice long walk alone over some sunny hills. I was starting to think about actualism and about how I really wanted to make progress. I was suddenly stopped in my tracks by the memory of how many similar moments I’ve had over the years, and with that there was a question of ‘how is this any different now, am I just walking over the same ground literally and figuratively, again?’

It reminded me of how people can spend their entire lives in conflict with themselves over losing weight. They can have an internal narrative about the plans to lose weight and different strategies and methods that basically goes on and on forever. Perhaps the narrative itself is a sort of ‘sustenance’ for me that I take pleasure in, and it certainly works the same for actualism. Actually doing it is quite simple - sustaining the narrative that I’m doing it or want to do it is a circus of complexity and diversion. Actually doing it goes somewhere new - sustaining the narrative is walking in a circle composed of highs and lows. And of course - as a note to myself, having this realization is not going somewhere new in and of itself, it will just be another high unless I actually walk the walk.

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I had this same moment in the last week, when i asked “how am I experiencing…” and started some habitual “investigative” type thought. I stopped and went, “that is what i have always done, and i am not radically changing!”

So I started sing to myself a playful ditti about having a PCE and what i am looking at, with all sorts of non-rhyming pairings and questionable pitch correctness.

Quite effective at brining a smile and some sensuousness to the following moments!

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Adam-H: I’ve been having an experience lately of ‘determination’ in a good way the last couple days. The experience has been that I want to become actually free and I know what I need to do to get there, and it’s not even that hard. What I have to do is enjoy and appreciate this moment of being alive, and just keep doing that, without digressions into telling myself a story about what actualism is and how I am pursuing it and how I will explain it to other people in the future. When that self-centric, self-aggrandizing modus operandi is not dominant, then all the things about how easy the method is start to make sense, and it feels like all ‘I’ need to do is remember to enjoy and appreciate life and ‘I’ will effortlessly recede into the background.
This started the other day when out on a nice long walk alone over some sunny hills. I was starting to think about actualism and about how I really wanted to make progress. I was suddenly stopped in my tracks by the memory of how many similar moments I’ve had over the years, and with that there was a question of ‘how is this any different now, am I just walking over the same ground literally and figuratively, again?’
It reminded me of how people can spend their entire lives in conflict with themselves over losing weight. They can have an internal narrative about the plans to lose weight and different strategies and methods that basically goes on and on forever. Perhaps the narrative itself is a sort of ‘sustenance’ for me that I take pleasure in, and it certainly works the same for actualism. Actually doing it is quite simple – sustaining the narrative that I’m doing it or want to do it is a circus of complexity and diversion. Actually doing it goes somewhere new – sustaining the narrative is walking in a circle composed of highs and lows. And of course – as a note to myself, having this realization is not going somewhere new in and of itself, it will just be another high unless I actually walk the walk. (link)

Hi Adam,

This is an great illuminating description of figuring out how you ‘tick’, exposing how ‘you’ succeeded in keeping ‘you’ in place, and by the very exposure you disarmed this particular strategy. It was made possible by the sincere contemplation and acknowledgement that “sustaining the narrative is walking in a circle”.

Now you are at the threshold of a new adventure – “actually walk the walk”. And this is how you actually change the supposedly unchangeable human nature. It is a pleasure to read of your insights, following them up with action and the ever deepening of your determination.

Have fun. There is so much delight in chipping away at the “self-centric, self-aggrandizing modus operandi”, the “narrative”, whenever it gets in the way of simply enjoying and appreciating being alive, right here, right now.

Cheers Vineeto

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Over the last month I started making some meaningful progress but then regressed back to normal again.

There was a short period where I really ‘dared’ to be fully happy and harmless despite the constant uncertainty and insecurity of my job. My thought process was that as jobs are always going to be uncertain to one degree or another, the jumping in point had to be here and now to be genuinely happy and harmless. I was starting to really check out the possibility that I was just as capable of doing my job without the anxiety and the rumination over what to do and how to ensure my safety, and I at least proved to myself that I could do specific, well defined tasks while remaining carefree.

What started to pull me back to where I am now was the concern that without that anxiety I would not proactively think of novel solutions to poorly defined problems or come up with smart approaches to navigate dicy political situations. It felt like I was walking down a dangerous alleyway at night in the pitch black, without my anxiety to tell me what was around the corner about to jump out at me.

The equation started to be a question of ‘am I willing to lose my job for this’, and I shifted to an approach that was slightly resentful. I was rebelling against the unfairness of how I couldn’t feel safe in my job without constant rumination. With that I was back in the more normal way of looking at things, where I started bouncing back and forth between that resentment on one side and trying to come up with new ways to approach my work that would eliminate the uncertainty/insecurity on the other side.

What I’m going to try to do now is rememerorate how I was when I was carefree, and try to consider the possibility that doing what I can while being happy and harmless is all I really need to do for my job, and that perhaps all the things I think I need to watch out for are just phantoms. Or, if it turns out that I can’t reconcile this particular job with actualism, then I can find another one. I’m not too attached to the higher income I’m getting, if anything there are concerns of appearing a failure to friends and family if I lost this job. But all in all, my higher goal is to be perpetually happy and harmless. Since uncertainty is always going to be part of life that means I will eventually have to make the choice in some actual situation to be happy and harmless despite uncertainty. When that moment comes it will be a moment just like this one, so I might as well make that choice here and now.

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Hi Adam,

This is a good observation. The moment you removed yourself (so to speak) too far from your usual pattern of worry and proved to yourself that you “could do specific, well-defined tasks while remaining carefree”, ‘you’, the worrier, stepped in and started to worry about not having any worries. This argument convinced you – because this had not been part of your ruminated thought process. And yet it is the same feeling of worry you are so accustomed to, merely on a meta-level.

What you thus found out that it is not the worry about certain subjects or topics that you are presently addicted to but worrying itself. Living without the feeling of worrying is unfamiliar and therefore deemed unsafe. A daring is required to cut the umbilical cord, abandon the apparent mantle of security which paints the world dark and dangerous, and take the plunge to being more and more naïve and carefree as an entirely new modus operandi.

Adam-H: The equation started to be a question of ‘am I willing to lose my job for this’, and I shifted to an approach that was slightly resentful. I was rebelling against the unfairness of how I couldn’t feel safe in my job without constant rumination. With that I was back in the more normal way of looking at things, where I started bouncing back and forth between that resentment on one side and trying to come up with new ways to approach my work that would eliminate the uncertainty/ insecurity on the other side.

You described it well – the swinging from negative to positivistic feelings but without changing the parameters of what you regard as ‘safe’ – worrying itself. You blamed the world but not ‘you’, the worrier.

Adam-H: What I’m going to try to do now is rememorate how I was when I was carefree, …

I am not sure if you are referring to being ‘carefree’ based on the rational thought-process described above, which obviously did not go far enough to give you confidence. The magic lies in the recognition that I am my feelings and my feelings are ‘me’.

Perhaps you can instead rememorate how you were experiencing the world during your PCEs, or how you were when you were genuinely naïve and the world was a wondrous place to explore and appreciate? It’s enjoyment and the very appreciation of it which has the capacity to enhance feeling good, and then feeling better and feeling great. When you feel great a lot of imagined/ anticipated problems reveal themselves as phantoms – but this is not the outcome of rational thinking alone, it comes from feeling good first.

Adam-H: [What I’m going to try to do now is rememorate how I was when I was carefree,] and try to consider the possibility that doing what I can while being happy and harmless is all I really need to do for my job, and that perhaps all the things I think I need to watch out for are just phantoms. Or, if it turns out that I can’t reconcile this particular job with actualism, then I can find another one. I’m not too attached to the higher income I’m getting, if anything there are concerns of appearing a failure to friends and family if I lost this job. But all in all, my higher goal is to be perpetually happy and harmless. Since uncertainty is always going to be part of life that means I will eventually have to make the choice in some actual situation to be happy and harmless despite uncertainty. When that moment comes it will be a moment just like this one, so I might as well make that choice here and now. (link)

It’s possible that it is your particular job which has more problems than you are willing to solve, but generally similar problems will appear in any other job as long as you hold the worrier close to your bosom. As feeling ‘safe’ is a ‘good’ feeling, not a felicitous one, you might inquire what this ‘safety’ consists of apart from income reliability. Does ‘safety’ include that people like you, that you belong, that you are praised for certain qualities, that you are able to present a certain image …

You can explore all the possible arguments which ‘you’, the worrier, could present in order to stay in existence. Sometimes exaggeration helps to recognize the absurd ridiculousness of spending one’s most precious asset – time – pleasing ‘me’, the worrier.

Cheers Vineeto

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This is interesting, I actually don’t think I drew that connection myself, but it rings true.

Part of me wants to dismiss this as a tautological/circular suggestion. It seems like saying “try feeling good, then the worries which are preventing you from feeling good will fade away”. What’s funny is I know it has actually played out this way many times in my experience, so I’m sure it is actually a great suggestion.

I think that combating the worry itself rationally is probably a lost cause indeed. It’s me arguing against me and we are both equally intelligent (or unintelligent). Definitely a major reframing to look at this question of ‘am I actually addicted to worrying itself?’

What does worry do for me? Why do I ‘hold it close to my bosom’? I know my brain and my ability to think doesn’t go away when worry is gone, so am I really just uncomfortable with the experience of being unworried for extended periods of time?

I’m imagining a world where i continue sincere efforts to solve the problems my job throws at me in a cheerful and naive way. I’m realizing I don’t actually think I’ll be less capable. It’s more that I think I’ll be taken advantage of or underappreciated. But right now I’m feeling ok with that idea, if it means I keep getting paid and getting to be happy and harmless.

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Hi Adam,

I had an experience a few days ago in the normal sense, as in the real world, (nothing which gave me anything actual to experience); but…it was in terms of the ‘real’ , very significant.

What a mess of a sentence!

Anyway, I succeeded. Not by chance, not by inheritance, or by anything other than the innate intelligence of the body ‘I’ inhabit.

I succeeded.

I was so terribly disturbed. Everything was wrong. ‘I’ am not meant to succeed.

It really brought to the foreground, and I started to comprehend the obvious fact; malice and sorrow ( the actualist shorthand for the suffering which is at the addictive centre of the human condition), was what ‘i’ naturally am drawn to..

I don’t naturally, accept being successful in any down to earth manner. In an intimate and immediate manner. “Success” is meant to be in the ‘future’!!

Not now. Never Now,
.

It hit me for six! (Oz expression, equivalent to a “home run”).

I was relieved when it turned out, it was not quite as amazing as first thought. Yet, how bizarre that I should be relieved it is “slightly “ less amazing!?

Edit: in terms of any metric, actual or real, it was a massive win. All because this body is incredibly intelligent. Here ‘I’ am, still in the way! Oh my word….

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Hi Adam,

The reason I concluded that “you are presently addicted to … worrying itself” is that you said in your last post –

Adam-H: I at least proved to myself that I could do specific, well-defined tasks while remaining carefree.

And then immediately after that –

Adam-H: What started to pull me back to where I am now was the concern that without that anxiety …

So instead of being relieved to be able to remain carefree in certain situations, what “pulled me back” was worrying about not worrying. Does it now make sense to you (more than merely “ring true”)?

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Vineeto: Perhaps you can instead rememorate how you were experiencing the world during your PCEs, or how you were when you were genuinely naïve and the world was a wondrous place to explore and appreciate? It’s enjoyment and the very appreciation of it which has the capacity to enhance feeling good, and then feeling better and feeling great. When you feel great a lot of imagined/ anticipated problems reveal themselves as phantoms – but this is not the outcome of rational thinking alone, it comes from feeling good first.

Adam-H: Part of me wants to dismiss this as a tautological/ circular suggestion. It seems like saying “try feeling good, then the worries which are preventing you from feeling good will fade away”. What’s funny is I know it has actually played out this way many times in my experience, so I’m sure it is actually a great suggestion.

Yes, logical conclusion often don’t correspond to experiential discovery – logic is so often a theoretical dead end. Did you try out the suggestion experientially?

Adam-H: I think that combating the worry itself rationally is probably a lost cause indeed. It’s me arguing against me and we are both equally intelligent (or unintelligent). Definitely a major reframing to look at this question of ‘am I actually addicted to worrying itself?’

You “think”“probably”, which means you do not know with certainty and this uncertainty has not enough thrust to change your modus operandi regarding “combating the worry itself”. Only when you know that using rationality when feeling worried is useless, will you be able to experiment with what you so far consider “a tautological/ circular suggestion”. To gain certainty you need the experience and repeated success in getting back to feeling good first before thinking about your worry/ fear in order to change your natural habit of just rationally thinking about it.

Adam-H: What does worry do for me? Why do I ‘hold it close to my bosom’? I know my brain and my ability to think doesn’t go away when worry is gone, so am I really just uncomfortable with the experience of being unworried for extended periods of time?

Ha, here is the person who only recently said –

Adam-H: It reminded me of how people can spend their entire lives in conflict with themselves over losing weight. They can have an internal narrative about the plans to lose weight and different strategies and methods that basically goes on and on forever. Perhaps the narrative itself is a sort of ‘sustenance’ for me that I take pleasure in, and it certainly works the same for actualism. Actually doing it is quite simple – sustaining the narrative that I’m doing it or want to do it is a circus of complexity and diversion. Actually doing it goes somewhere new – sustaining the narrative is walking in a circle composed of highs and lows. And of course – as a note to myself, having this realization is not going somewhere new in and of itself, it will just be another high unless I actually walk the walk. [Emphasis added]. (24 Feb 2026)

Now you are back to being content with conjecture and guessing … and imagining.

Adam-H: I’m imagining a world where I continue sincere efforts to solve the problems my job throws at me in a cheerful and naive way. I’m realizing I don’t actually think I’ll be less capable. It’s more that I think I’ll be taken advantage of or underappreciated. But right now I’m feeling ok with that idea, if it means I keep getting paid and getting to be happy and harmless. (link)

However, your imagination reveals what it is you worry about – being competent or not – that you will be “taken advantage of or underappreciated”. You said in your last post –

Adam-H: Over the last month I started making some meaningful progress but then regressed back to normal again. (…)
What I’m going to try to do now is rememorate how I was when I was carefree, … (link)

So far, in this regression “back to normal” you have listened to, ruminated about, and taken on board the typical arguments against allowing oneself to being carefree, naïvely enjoying and appreciating being alive, allowing your naiveté to flourish, out of fear of feeling foolish, “taken advantage of or underappreciated”. Perhaps what Richard says here might give you some inspiration and courage to remember your life’s goal, your destiny –

Richard: … in a pure consciousness experience (PCE) one discovers that the universe is already benevolent and benign (it does not need ‘my’ benevolence and benignity pasted as a veneer over it). There is a passage in ‘Richard’s Journal’ which may be worth contemplating:

• ‘Innocence is something entirely new; it has never existed in human beings before. It is an evolutionary break-through to come upon innocence. It is a mutation of the human brain. Naiveté is a necessary precursor to invoke the condition of innocence. One surely has to be naive to contemplate the profound notion that this universe is benign, friendly. One needs to be naive to consider that this universe has an inherent imperative for well-being to flourish; that it has a built-in benevolence available to one who is artless, without guile. To the realist – the ‘worldly-wise’ – this appears like utter foolishness. After all, life is a ‘vale of tears’ and one must ‘make the best of a bad situation’ because one ‘can’t change human nature’; and therefore ‘you have to fight for your rights’. This derogatory advice is endlessly forthcoming; the put-down of the universe goes on ad nauseam, wherever one travels throughout the world. This universe is so enormous in size – infinity being as enormous as it can get – and so magnificent in its scope – eternity being as magnificent as it can get – how on earth could anyone believe for a minute that it is all here for humans to be forever miserable in? It is foolishness of the highest order to believe it to be so. Surely, one can have confidence in a universe so grandly complex, so marvellously intricate, so wonderfully excellent’. [emphasis added]. (page 138, Article 21: ‘It Is Impossible To Combat The Wisdom Of The Real World’; ‘Richard’s Journal’; ©1997 The Actual Freedom Trust).

I have emphasised the words which indicate one of the biggest stumbling-blocks to first setting foot upon the wide and wondrous path to an actual freedom from the human condition – the apprehension of becoming a simpleton – so as to highlight the fact that when I say naiveté I mean naiveté. (Richard, AF List, No. 27d, 23 Jan 2003).

Cheers Vineeto

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Hey Vineeto, yes it does. I’ve read about the concept of being addicted to suffering in the past, but this is the clearest experience where I could really see that I was/am addicted to worrying, because worrying is what keeps me in the picture and I want to stick around.

Yes, I have been trying it out this weekend and had quite a lovely restorative weekend. Just got back home from a wonderful road trip with a couple of friends to see a friend who lives in a nearby city. Your suggestion to rememorate a naive moment instead of a moment where I had logically convinced myself against worrying was spot on, and it helped lead me out of the logical/rational dead end. I’ve been having the experience of observing the feeling of worry before it turns into a specific worry, and when I see it in that light, it’s so much more clear that I can live without it.

Yes this all makes sense.

For me in that exercise of imagination, I think I did find something useful, which was that I was deceiving myself about the subject of my worry. I had been telling myself I was worried about competency/capability, but it was really more about being appreciated and not being taken for granted. I think my petty worries were trying to dress up in grownup clothes to go unquestioned, and contemplating what it would be like without those worries forced them to ‘show their hand’ in a way.

Thank you, this is all very helpful indeed, and I’ll come back to it when I next succumb to worry.

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Hi Adam,

It’s beneficial to keep that in mind, especially as you expect to “next succumb to worry” as in your last sentence – you already know why: “worrying is what keeps me in the picture and I want to stick around”. Whenever you sincerely admit that fact you already know your way out of it.

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Vineeto: Yes, logical conclusion often don’t correspond to experiential discovery – logic is so often a theoretical dead end. Did you try out the suggestion [rememorate how you were experiencing the world during your PCEs] experientially?

Adam-H: Yes, I have been trying it out this weekend and had quite a lovely restorative weekend. Just got back home from a wonderful road trip with a couple of friends to see a friend who lives in a nearby city. Your suggestion to rememorate a naïve moment instead of a moment where I had logically convinced myself against worrying was spot on, and it helped lead me out of the logical/ rational dead end. I’ve been having the experience of observing the feeling of worry before it turns into a specific worry, and when I see it in that light, it’s so much more clear that I can live without it. (…)

This is excellent, and you see again that it is sincerity which allows you to have this worry-diminishing insight.

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Adam-H: I’m imagining a world where I continue sincere efforts to solve the problems my job throws at me in a cheerful and naive way. I’m realizing I don’t actually think I’ll be less capable. It’s more that I think I’ll be taken advantage of or underappreciated. But right now I’m feeling ok with that idea, if it means I keep getting paid and getting to be happy and harmless. (link)
Vineeto: However, your imagination reveals what it is you worry about – being competent or not – that you will be “taken advantage of or underappreciated”.

Adam-H: For me in that exercise of imagination, I think I did find something useful, which was that I was deceiving myself about the subject of my worry. I had been telling myself I was worried about competency/ capability, but it was really more about being appreciated and not being taken for granted. I think my petty worries were trying to dress up in grownup clothes to go unquestioned, and contemplating what it would be like without those worries forced them to ‘show their hand’ in a way.

Ha, that is a great way to describe it. Would you now say that all worries are petty and as such unnecessary?

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Vineeto: So far, in this regression “back to normal” you have listened to, ruminated about, and taken on board the typical arguments against allowing oneself to being carefree, naïvely enjoying and appreciating being alive, allowing your naiveté to flourish, out of fear of feeling foolish, “taken advantage of or underappreciated”. Perhaps what Richard says here might give you some inspiration and courage to remember your life’s goal, your destiny – (Richard, AF List, No. 27d, 23 Jan 2003).

Adam-H: Thank you, this is all very helpful indeed, and I’ll come back to it when I next succumb to worry. (link)

Even better, with attentive awareness and remembering that worry’s only purpose is to keep you “in the picture”, you don’t ever have to “succumb to worry” ever again but can nip it in the bud before a tiny concern escalates to an overpowering distress.

Cheers Vineeto