JohnE: Another question is in regards to “The direct path”
I saw a post Kuba where he quoted Geoffrey saying how the direct path is so easy he doesn’t understand why people aren’t doing it in drones. How is the technique different for becoming actually free via The direct path compared to doing the actualist method?
Reading about it, it seems like it’s the same technique but that there is a jump-off point somewhere on the bus line where you can jump off, even though the buss hasn’t reached the end station yet. If so, what is the difference in how one approaches Actualism and how would one go about jumping off the buss early? (link)
Vineeto: Claudiu’s Journal - #218 by Vineeto and Kub933’s Journal - #1141 by Kub933 (link)
JohnE: Thank you for the links Vineeto.
Hi John,
Regarding what Geoffrey called “The Direct Path” I’m not sure what he referred to, most likely to what is referred to as “The Direct Route”, bypassing spiritual enlightenment. You could ask him.
JohnE: I’ve read through the posts and quite a few below as well to try to understand. I sometimes get a feeling of ahhh, yes ofc. And then that changes into, well what am I supposed to do then?!
If I understand correctly, the main thing is allowing yourself to self-immolate and realizing that there is nothing that needs to be fulfilled to do so. It’s a “when you’re ready to do it you’re ready to do it” kind of thing.
The argument for trying to self immolate being that if you can allow a PCE to happen then you should be able to allow self-immolation to happen.
First, a PCE is a spontaneous, always temporary event where ‘I’ and ‘me’ is in abeyance. You cannot become actually free from a PCE.
Second, there is indeed something you do in the meantime – the actualism method.
Third, regarding “trying to self-immolate” –
Alan: Richard has never suggested “trying to self-immolate”. There are no ‘rules’ and no conditions for self-immolation to happen. (Dona & Alan Report, 8 Nov 2017)
My question to you at this point is, why do you want to ‘self’-immolate?
I ask because first you would need to know what it is and why it is that you would want to give up what you hold most dear – ‘me’ – and because you wrote only four days ago –
JohnE: I’ve seen people use terms as excellent which kind of makes sense but to me it’s more of a scale of being here as a feeling being and being here in the actual world and it doesn’t matter so much what we call it. (link)
If you do not even care about the difference of experiencing being in the real world as a feeling being or experiencing the actual world when your ‘being’ is in abeyance, then your level of interest is rather lukewarm and presently not conducive to have a fruitful conversation.
Richard: What I usually say is that there is sufficient information available on The Actual Freedom Trust web site to establish a prima-facie case worthy of further investigation – rather than capricious dismissal as having all been said before – and thus (intellectually) find out what actualism is on about … and then see what happens.
In other words: what one can do is make a critical examination of all the words I advance so as to ascertain if they be intrinsically self-explanatory … and only when they are seen to be inherently consistent with what is being spoken about, then the facts speak for themselves. Then one will have reason to remember a pure conscious experience (PCE), which all peoples I have spoken to at length have had, and thus verify by direct experience the facticity of what is written.
Then it is the PCE that is one’s lodestone or guiding light [a.k.a. ‘highest authority’] … not me or my words. My words then offer confirmation … and affirmation in that a fellow human being has safely walked this wide and wondrous path. [Emphases added]. (Richard, Abditorium, Prima Facie Case).
Remembering a PCE, and rememorating (link) it, you might also understand experientially what pure intent is referring to, for which Henry had given you the links a week ago. (link)
JohnE: In regards to “The Direct Path” that Geoffrey is referring to, does that have to do with not disassembling the social self completely before self immolation? If so is this the same as you and Peter did it or does this somehow differ from how you approached it? I’m not quite seeing how you two would’ve done it differently back in the day compared to now.
The “Direct Route” was opened by Peter and Richard, and ‘Vineeto’ used four days later, in an epoch-changing event (Long Awaited Announcement), which of course involved everything described in This Moment of Being Alive and at many places elsewhere.
JohnE: The reason I’m asking is to try to understand how to apply the method for myself, and I’d much prefer to do so in a way that takes shorter rather than longer to help “me” come to an end. (link)
Ah, the quick if not instant way to an actual freedom – before you experientially understand what it is where you want to go. Here is what I wrote to another a few months ago who has been similarly looking for a shortcut to become free –
Vineeto: The problem you describe is directly connected with this all-or-nothing approach, and of course such a leap is too big, impossible to achieve and hence you are stuck with fear. Whereas the actualism method offers a way to diminish the bulk of the identity you are, peeling off layer by layer of identity-enhancing feelings and replacing them with identity-diminishing felicitous feelings until ‘I’ grow so thin and feeble that at some point ‘I’ will agree to relinquish control and go out-from-under-control, the different-way-of-being virtual freedom Richard has described many times.
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I highly recommend re-reading Richard’s Article of This Moment of Being Alive (link), including the very helpful tool-tips. (link)
Cheers Vineeto
Also, as a suggestion, because you said you feel “overwhelmed” by “so much text” (link) or are “not much of a reader” (link) – to read a little bit with vital interest and therefore fascinated attention can be more beneficial than ticking the box for having read a large amount with only limited interest. There are also text-to-audio applications you can research.