Yeah, and they can’t hit anything with their lasers. 
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never. worst shots ever.
i thought the storm troopers were all clones and then in the final trilogy they became unique individuals with different body types. I kind of like my sci-fi consistent.
Well, Lucasfilm has been pushing the diversity Message in lieu of sci-fi consistency for a while now.
One can only admire the billions they have lost doing so.
And Science has been pushing psuedo environmentalism in lieu of scientific accuracy for just as long.
Maybe George Lucas is behind the AGW agenda!
Solved.
i don’t mind black guys and women hero’s. Just don’t have episode two be all about a clone army of stormtroopers and then episode 7 star a non-clone stormtrooper.
edit: let’s move this to PM if you chose to respond.
Sure!
Or so you say. I’m not so sure about that yet.
You may not have noticed how much fun the participants of this thread were having too.
It’s rare we discuss something of this nature at this length.
At a certain point, to my credit before Richard and Vineeto publicly inviting me to show where those 12 points are “opinion” rather than fact, I saw that I was being combative and blindly taking a position which, among other things, wasn’t any fun at all.
Further, my experience of the thread and topic answered for me the original question posted by Jon; the origin of bias.
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Right it is fascinating indeed, especially going back to Srinath’s replies where in the whole back and forth between him and Claudiu I could not detect any!
I think the recent threads about the global warming, bias and the social identity stuff have unleashed something way bigger than the topics themselves, some underlying rift, this is what I mean about something weird happening on the forum, there’s like these tectonic plates of identity shifting around with the various individuals located on different planes.
It seems this is all happening for the same reason as why you don’t bring up religion and politics at the dinner table - because those areas are where different cherished beliefs are held.
Perhaps we should all tread carefully because we all remember what happened last time discussion on politics went haywire - the great Sridagedon 
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All hail the great sridagedon.
Well, it’s reasonable to assume that Richard writing again was bound to put the cat amongst the pigeons.
I certainly bobbed my head up, and went…hmmmm!
At least this time, a decade later, I had atleast engaged in useful discussions.
I posit that at my current rate, I should be free in my early 90s.
Regarding psychic tectonics, have you got a copyright on that title?
Sound like a best seller. 
@Felix again, it’s good to have you writing again.
It is interesting that I can somewhat relate to the brimstone and hell fire approach your re-entry to the Forum took.
Like Moses coming down the mountain and finding the children of Israel worshiping a golden cow!
I took a similar line with @bub, a indignation that he could possibly understand the great mystery and basically thought I was doing him a favour!
Am I having a go at you now?
Sorta. After what was it, a year?
I discovered that my angst was not about bub at all. Rather that I was deluded to think myself as having any clue as to what enlightenment was.
Indeed, by your own account, it would seem perhaps you are coming out of the delusional idea you know what actualism is all about.
The sheer 180 from everything we ever thought ourselves to be.
I like a good shake up. So it’s not a rebuke. Rather it is instructive that you directly took on Claudiu.
Am I not a big enough target?
Too obviously unsuccessful?
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I’m gonna go ahead made a tentative conclusion for my own edification on #1 of my 4 part research plan. Feedback welcome.
The average temperature of the nearby planetary bodies can’t be measured or otherwise derived without significantly more testing. (even the stated average temperature of the Earth is based on incomplete data due to a lack of testing) Therefore the assumption that a planet acts like a black body accounting for albedo is just that: An assumption. Interestingly, this is very well noted in the harder to find, more data driven websites.
However, they do have a lot of temperature measurements on the two available test subjects nearby: Mars and the Moon. And what they found leaves very much open the possibility that planets do act like a blackbody adjusted for albedo. It hasn’t been falsified yet. Nor has it been confirmed. Inconclusive as they say.
On to question #2: The age of ice gasses.
May be of interest, check out Chapter 5 of Slaying the Sky Dragon: Slaying the Sky Dragon - Timothy F. Ball, Alan Siddons, John O'Sullivan, Hans Shreuder - Google Livros .
This will be the 5th time I link to it in this thread btw 
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Also this article (linked from the footnotes in the Chapter): “A Greenhouse Effect on the Moon?” .
Cheers,
Claudiu
That’s fascinating. I found the 2nd link far more helpful. I think the first link explained basically why a blackbody turned sphere doesn’t make sense. But there was a lot I had to take for granted. To much info I had to bracket and go back to. The 2nd link is very concise though.
In other words, the components of a planet’s mass itself, rather than an atmosphere, bring about an appreciable difference between its calculated temperature and its actual temperature
I also didn’t know they tried using stefan-boltzmann to predict a range of temperatures for a single spot. If this is possible then it seems like a real way to falsify the theory. Using napkin math, it seems the range of discrepancy between prediction and actual measurements is more than the difference between the assumed 291 and the measured 258 here on Earth.
I assume you have looked but not found any literature to debunk these claims.
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Cross-posting the experiment fun
Very well done Claudiu. You must have been a science fair kid. I couldn’t have done that experiment even if I wanted to. That really shows a lot of talent and intelligence.
I’ve been on percolation now for the last 3 days maybe, in my head, meandering through AGW with the limited scientific affinity I have. I had a question for you. Reply if your interested.
The second article regarding the moon is exactly where my mind went with the starting point.
Actual data from materials, rotating as the way the earth does, on the tilted axis.
The first part of the article very much is the crux of the extreme delusions needed to take the Stefan Boltzmann equation as gospel.
Which are of course, Richard’s exact points. The earth is none of these things at all.
Which was my response regarding “a very long pole”. Basically, there is so much that is wrong with the use of the equation, I may as well be guessing house prices based on the area of the ink left by a pen writing “I want a house” on a napkin. There is no co-relation at all.
EL PAIS climate change
Seven of the nine thresholds that allow for human life on earth have already been crossed
I got the same conclusion (AGW is junk) but from the other direction. It seems to me the values used to gauge any climate models predictive capacity are themselves derived from stacked assumptions. Values like the average temperature of the mesosphere at nighttime is derived from very high level math that hasn’t been properly tested in the lab. So we have variables derived from stacked assumptions run through a model to see how well they predict values that are themselves derived from stacked assumptions.
Cool, that’s a very succinct way of saying it.
“Stacked assumptions”