Andrew: Hi Vineeto,
I did not see that my sentences would indeed give someone the impression that I was labelling myself NPD or ASPD. It makes sense now that you have explained how it appeared to the reader. I was really taken aback, but I can see that indeed my lack of clear writing was the cause, not you jumping to diagnosis.
Hi Andrew,
Thank you for your sincerity and being able to read your writing with the reader’s eyes. I will keep the possibility of misunderstanding the other in mind and consider that clarification might be needed.
Andrew: Today was a very beautiful sunny day, with plenty of walking time for me to think through why I was so insistent to make this particular point about the way psychiatry is lumped in with everything else in that first sentence of the AFT, and instructions to seek professional help are elsewhere.
I can see that the main clue is in what I later shared about the self-diagnosed “dependent personality” traits. I always had objections, but I could never compartmentalise them. I may appear to be a self with that capacity to direct my thoughts, one might sensibly not let a single point of disagreement ruin an entire friendship. I never really had that skill. It was all or nothing, and because I had supposedly found the answer, I manifested the types of reactions like yesterday. I try and change the messengers!
Ha … changing or shooting the messenger(s) is an age-old instinctual reaction – it is a well-known tradition that only a couple of centuries past whoever brought the message of a lost battle to the ruler was executed.
Andrew: Now, do I think that the AFT is deficient? Yes. Because I think everything is deficient, precisely because I look to others to make the rules for me, to tell me what to do.
That’s a good insight – and ‘Vineeto’ knew it well, when ‘she’ became the disciple of a ‘wise’ man (Rajneesh) to tell ‘her’ what to do with ‘her’ life. Richard however taught ‘her’ how to rely on facts and actuality (rather than second-hand beliefs) and how to most effectively (non-emotionally) make use of her native intelligence.
Andrew: So, while I doubt it’s clinical (one of the co-morbid symptoms is high degrees of manipulation in clinical dependence, which I don’t have).
Are you still searching for a definite label to categorize yourself with? And yet those labels, even if you found the most fitting one, would not assist you in becoming free from malice and sorrow, let alone permanently, because psychiatry can manage the disorder not cure it. So why not treat those symptoms as aspects of your identity, which you no longer need to employ? They were developed as a survival-mechanisms when you had no other choice. Knowing that you will never be a helpless child again, you can look at them, one by one, and discard them as unnecessary and detrimental to your well-being.
If my memory serves me correctly one of the first ones would sensibly be the taboo to succeed.
Andrew: Do I think, for the benefit of others some warning could be added? Sensibly, yes. If someone who should be getting therapy, get’s some therapy and otherwise then, as Richard suggests, can make something of actualism, great. That’s not a demand, I just don’t see psychiatry as being “outdated” when in fact, in possibly in my case and others, it was needed all along.
Have you ever read the Disclaimer page carefully, which link is displayed at the bottom of each page? When you do, you will understand why Richard says “Actualism is of no use to one who is harbouring a neurotic or psychotic condition”. It might also help you to understand why you have been unsuccessful helping those people you mentioned below. So “outdated” doesn’t mean superfluous for everybody, it means ineffective regarding peace on earth and ultimate fulfilment, as outdated as religions, spirituality and philosophy are. You might also find the correspondence with No. 46 informative, linked to at the bottom of the Disclaimer page.
Andrew: The defining trait that has let me be assured that I am not clinically disordered is empathy and compassion. These are typically very low in people with disorders. While I tend to be high in these areas, over my lifetime.
You may want to read what Chrono reported in his latest post regarding compassion and its more salubrious alternative and we can have a longer discussion if you wish.
Andrew: I will reiterate that I don’t have an objection to actual freedom, or the premises of the method, and the practice of it. I can see that I wasn’t able to separate myself from the messengers’ words, whether Richard, Peter, yourself and others. Which is a classic symptom of dependence and stunted emotional skills.
While I appreciate your reiteration, I’d rather say you may not have an objection to ‘your’ interpretation of actual freedom, the actualism method and the practice, and you can’t always tell the difference. You might often interpret actualism according to the old paradigm and its values, not fully realising the radicality of it being a third alternative to materialism and spiritualism.
I’m only thinking of the recent post to Kuba (link) regarding narcissism and altruism where you downplayed an actual freedom as the outcome of apparent trivialities in order to make light of Kuba’s post on narcissism. And two days ago (link) you expounded the virtues of being selfish (“Narcissism is not the opposite of actual freedom”) and not caring “in some normal way”. I would call that re-writing the meaning of actual freedom, the actualism method and the practice not only for yourself but also how others should view it – be that out of “empathy and compassion” or for more personal reasons without being fully aware that you are doing it.
Andrew: The walk showed me that I need to continue to be as independent as possible. Making the most of my time within my own “space” mentally. That point is still unfolding for me, as having everything “lumped together” actualism, me, you, all the people over the years (I had briefly tried to help Guilherme back in the day), others I mentioned like Rick, the forum, it all ends up being confusion and then after a while, it “explodes” out, in a way like it did yesterday.
So, deliberately taking my time, in my own space, and being able to develop that separation and maturity is what I saw was needed. Being able to experiment and value my own time.
Thanks (link)
While it’s certainly sensible to “take your time”, I rather suggest becoming aware of each ‘good’ and/or bad feeling (because they are the ones which are “having everything lumped together” ), so that when you are in a good mood, clear thinking can occur. Then you might not only better understand what actualists write about an actual freedom, the actualism method and practice, but also how ‘you’ tick, and why you react to certain triggers in a particular way. Then any discussion about the questions you have will be a lot more fruitful.
I am certainly happy to be of assistance.
Cheers Vineeto