Hey, I am not in any kind of debate with you . Nor did I think I had written some sort of “takedown” post as your response seems to indicate.
I am totally on board with the discussion of people’s difficulties with the “challenge” of actualism. The quote @Srinath quotes as Noe on Slack was actually me:
In a way with actualism it’s a double edged sword - on one hand, it’s better if the people come to it are well adjusted (which I wasnt). On the other hand, the people most motivated to leave the human condition are probably not going to be those who are loving life.
Given where I have come from with this (stuck in feeling bad), and knowing some of the difficulties and traps in getting out of it, I write generally about it for others and for my own clarity/journalling. It seems it has touched a nerve that I wrote to you or about you (and especially that I was responding to references to the past) but this was no challenge on my part.
A lot of your conclusions and statements were still phrased in present tense, hence why I responded to them as if they were still valid convictions for you (eg your conclusions as to why AF didn’t work, but mindfullness did, your beliefs about what is and isn’t stopping you). In any case, despite my questioning of some of those conclusions, my post was otherwise just general advice to anyone who feels stuck feeling bad. If you aren’t in that camp then I’m only glad to hear it Miguel
I would say this group is here especially for this kind of questioning/sharing/vetting, at least for myself that’s why I write here. We aren’t in each other’s brains, we are just typing asynchronously: so misunderstandings of each other’s positions and moods are bound to arise, but it’s always a good opportunity to explore one’s own feelings whilst involved in that process. Ie. Did I threaten some part of your identity perhaps?
I always liked that Vineeto and Peter were willing to do that with each other: just put it all out on the table, with nothing to hide. Funny as it is to say, there is truly nothing personal about the human condition.