Roy's Journal

[roy]

Hello again @Vineeto, thank you again for your reply! Sometimes it might seem like you’re talking to a brick wall, and I know I have some resistance, but these messages are truly helpful.

@Vineeto

I clearly specified “one’s genetic identity of the instinctual passions”. I did not say that you can or “you can’t change your genetics” or that “epigenetics” are part of the instinctual survival passions. Why make things unnecessarily more complicated?

I apologize if I can’t be clearer, but I do make an effort. I could delve into this issue, but it doesn’t seem worthwhile because I would be explaining a scientific understanding that I believe doesn’t interest you.

@Vineeto

I don’t see any relevance at all to what actualism is about – bringing about peace on earth via the minimisation of both the ‘good’ and ‘bad’ feelings and thus maximising the felicitous and innocuous feelings. The fact that you found the studies impressive indicates that you are still looking for evidence and proof of the descriptions and reports of an actual freedom from the human condition – something which is entirely new to human consciousness – in real-world research.

Exactly, it’s the same issue. You see no relevance in this type of study about the brain, but I really do… It’s my insistence to discuss these matters here because I genuinely believe they are relevant. At least for me… That wikipedia entry you shared isn’t particularly interesting though, I agree with that

@Vineeto

Given that you go on to say that “my conscious experience is entirely true within the context of my subjectivity” I strongly doubt that what you experienced were clear unequivocal PCEs because then you would know, without a smidgen of a doubt, that there is no subjectivity in a PCE because the ‘self’ is temporarily in abeyance in a pure consciousness experience and thus allows you, the flesh-and-blood body devoid of ‘self’, to experience that the actual world is a totally different paradigm to the real world. Unless you do, it is not a PCE.

During my PCEs, I don’t think at all about any of these questions… The last PCE I had was a spontaneous moment with family, in which the whole evening unfolded completely without me stopping even for a moment to think about happiness, or malice, or anything of the sort. The moments simply followed one another, and I lived those moments with all my being. Nothing went wrong during that evening — or what could be said to have gone wrong wasn’t seen that way at all — everything just happened with the greatest happiness.

Basically, all of my PCEs are like that. And so, I don’t draw any conclusions about the nature of the universe, or time, or space during a PCE. I’m absorbed in what is happening. I have no thoughts about the “self” or about myself either. When I recall them, I admit I don’t have an immensely clear memory of what happened, but there is still enough of a recollection of what was experienced.

For me, PCEs are useful because I know, through them, that there is a completely different reality from my normal one. And that is why I continue on this path — otherwise, I would have given up searching by now. However, my hesitation and caution lie in not taking that memory of the PCE, interpreting it in the present, and giving it a meaning.

What you’re saying is that a PCE is not a subjective experience, and what I’m saying is that it still is — because I’m not in a PCE 100% of the time.

@Vineeto

[…] There are examples of people describing a PCE, which then degenerated into an ASC, and in hindsight they interpreted the whole experience in terms of their religion/ creed. As such their initial PCE cannot be used as a loadstone for describing the actual world. This is the very reason why the Actual Freedom Trust website exists.

Yes, but that’s precisely what I’m talking about. That’s my fear — misinterpreting the experience…

I’ll continue shortly, regarding the second post…