So there’s a couple of things.
At a high level there’s really only 3 possibilities here:
- You are newly free Milito - congrats!
- You are out-from-control ‘Milito’ or ongoing-excellence-experience ‘Milito’ - it’s great except being mistaken about the nature of your experience will be problematic
- You’re in an ASC - abort turn around
The situation is potentially tricky. You certainly do think you’re newly free. If you are, then it’s great, we should all follow in your footsteps, take advantage of the exciting momentum, etc. If you’re not, then it’s extremely ill-advised to be following your lead now as it could be taking us into a similarly pernicious ASC!
So the stakes are potentially high. It definitely behooves all of us, including yourself, to be highly discerning and have high standards and precision in this regard!
Safest thing to do is wait it out and see what happens. But that is possibly the least fun. The potentially worst outcome is to blindly follow
In terms of convincing anyone of anything – nearly impossible. Any particular thing anyone points out can be set aside with, well it’s idiosyncratic, actually free people aren’t all clones, why are you not partaking in all the fun of it? etc. And if you’re newly free, that is all valid. But if you’re in an ASC, then it’s highly invalid.
So I don’t think it makes sense to try to convince anyone of anything. Rather we can just continue talking about it, suss things out, see what the case may be, etc. Sincerity on all sides will be paramount!
Some level of caution is not unwarranted. Nothing personal of course! But there have been people in the past convinced they were actually free when they weren’t - Trent, Tarin, Grant, Alan for a brief period, me as well for a day or two(!) . In all cases it was pernicious to follow them (/me) to wherever they were(/I was) going. Alan particularly comes to mind because his ‘presence’ had a sort of contagious, excitable quality that sucked some people in (me as well for a time) before it became clear he wasn’t actually free. He definitely leaned on the “come on have a great time with me” type of vibe/current to get ‘his’ way. It turned out he was having somewhat of a manic episode, though, and I remember one particularly disturbing google chat I had with him when I felt the full brunt intensity of his manic psychic currents coming my way. All I could do was politely be non-committal in my responses, hoping he stops interacting with me and that I don’t trigger off some insane reaction from him.
It may also be difficult or impossible to be critical about this topic without coming across as a spoilsport. I’ll just say that the perception of being a spoilsport means there’s some “sport” to be spoiled that is not withstanding of criticism, which is a bit of a red flag. And also it is of course better for all including yourself, if there is anything suspect, to find out sooner rather than later! And if you are indeed newly free then really no harm no foul. An initial period of evaluation certainly seems warranted. Again nothing personal!
So with all that in mind:
Ok
Indeed. It’s not about like you have to act exactly like them to be considered free. That would be silly. But for an extreme example, if you were to start beating your wife or proclaimed yourself to be Jesus reincarnated, it would be clear you are not actually free at that point . Nothing egregious of the sort stands out, it’s just to make the point that all we have to go on is what you write and do and certain things you describe may be indicative of not having succeeded at what you think you have.
I actually hadn’t, the edits was just an example of what I noticed Geoffrey doing. But now that I took a look at your edits I found it even stranger - you edited in the “and I don’t care hahaha” later, but still didn’t fix the blockquote? Geoffrey’s edits were to make his post clearer, not to extoll his not-caring about how his post was written.
Well that stands out a bit to me as tilting the balance more towards ‘mania’ a la Alan, than freedom per se. Srinath did report being excited shortly after his freedom: “That night I was so excited I found it hard to sleep. I was just walking around in the dark experiencing this night-time wonderland completely unencumbered.” (Man from Sydney - Report of Becoming Free). But it was immediately after, and, nothing in any of his posts came off in any sort of “hyper excited” manner.
I remember myself feeling like I had gone towards out from control one day many years ago, my mood was super elevated, I was having a ball, and this had a noticeable effect on people around me, they smiled, engaged in convo w/ me readily, etc. But there was something not quite right about it, eventually it faded and I saw it was more in the towards “mania” aspect of experiences rather than towards actuality. In an excellence experience, by contrast, everything is sublime and near-perfect in a “exactly where it is”, sweet sort of way, which leads to remarkably intimate conversations, but there’s no giddy or “pushing-outwards” sort of ‘edge’ to it which there was in my experience. It can be difficult to tell between the ‘good’ feelings and the felicitous ones at times!
I can foresee a criticism already that I’m trying to dictate how free people “should” behave or what not. To anyone saying or thinking this, I direct you to what I already wrote above.
Well I don’t really get the joke. But it’s probably not worth explaining it to me
I would think great care in how words are put across would be automatic, just like great care in anything else! What would be preventing that from happening?
I have experienced pain anhedonically (in a PCE) and it’s really a different beast altogether. There isn’t that instinctual aversiona way from it, which is maybe what you’re describing here. That being said I would say it’s sensible a priori to avoid pain still, because pain is the body’s highly-evolved mechanism indicating something is wrong.
I highly recommend against continuing to stare at the sun
That’s all for now, curious to hear your thoughts!
Cheers,
Claudiu