Kub933's Journal

Yet again, you exceed the grade.

Exactly that. There is hard work, and there is the rebel. Each will have to contend with the reality of the other at some point.

I remember Richard (appeal to authority warning) talking about when he was an artist, leaving all the work to the last minute, then blitzing through it on the potter’s wheel.

Standing in the gallery, with people praising him, he knew that he had nothing to do with it. The work had done itself.

As far as being a “rebel”, the truth is I am not that at all. I read it all, wrote journal after journal, thousands of voice notes, I am the ultimate conformist, in reality.

The bravado is a Hail Mary. As it has always been.

I am actually the one who believed that if he did the right things, he would be rewarded.

I did the right things, and there is nothing but emptiness.

Which is also to say, there is absolutely nothing to loose for me.

You imagine yourself to be talking with a peer. A fellow “actualist”.

I am no such thing.

There are billions of me.

Men and women who did the “right thing” and were not only cast aside, but vehemently condemned as being sub-standard.

One can break out the “little violin” for such, however it’s also a gift.

I see them, working hard, nose to the wheel. Like I once was.

I see them look down on me.

Pity. Despicable too.

But I haunt them. I anger them. Enrage them.

This is what I am challenged to give up.

Not the glory.

Not the esteem.

Indeed, it is precisely the rebel they want that ultimately isn’t a rebel at all. Who gives up his rank.

The “Court Jester” simply leaves the hall, and doesn’t return.

@Andrew How are you going to become free if you don’t want to enjoy & appreciate right now? Becoming free & the method are basically the same thing, it’s just a question of how far it goes

If you want to become free today, go for it! The way to do it is allowing enjoying & appreciating to happen

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It’s a great question. I wouldn’t have said “I don’t want to enjoy and appreciate” but it amounts to the same thing really; if I am not, then I don’t want to.

There is something I am enjoying, to a broader sense, which currently isn’t translating directly into happiness, and that is momentum.

After seeing that my best attempt at sincerity has a whole load of seriousness in it, then it’s obvious that I will dial up the naivete as a natural next step.

With sincerity in place you can ask “is the character of the universe benevolent & benign?” and then look & see

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Ok so the conversation this morning definitely highlighted something, I cannot take myself into actual freedom. The fear seems to be because I want to take all of ‘my’ luggage with me over ‘there’, and then I’m trying to work out how it’s all going to work, how is my grotty self gonna operate in that world of utter freedom. I am standing back from ‘my’ safe space and having a taste of this freedom then from there I’m trying to do the impossible, to take ‘myself’ into that place of purity, somehow to fit into that world with all of ‘my’ handicaps and I’m hitting a wall each time. It doesn’t stop me from trying to force the same thing over and over though lol, let me just purify myself a little bit more and then I can live ‘there’. So I can see somewhat that the luggage has to be left behind. I remember that I can never take ‘myself’ into a PCE which helps, because I remember that only when ‘I’ am out of the way that it all simply makes sense. I wonder if more PCEs might be needed, more concrete experience that living without a self is what I want.

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Is the luggage beliefs?

If so, you’ve got it backwards - becoming (basically) free you may still have beliefs that aren’t backed up by feeling. It’s ‘you’ that’s gone. In that sense, your luggage carries forward, but without you! And then the free you can drop off the remaining luggage at his leisure.

The difference is in worrying about what happens to it, or happens to you. Why worry? We all die one day, and all this worrying ruins a perfectly nice afternoon.

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The luggage is the last bit of ‘me’ that I can’t clean up. It’s like I am trying to be perfect and pure already before making my mind up about proceeding. I have always had a tendency to do that, I want to know what it will be like in advance before proceeding, which in this case is an impossibility, is it ever a possibility really? I don’t think so.

I remember years ago reading some self help guy write that sometimes it’s as if we are leaving a block of flats and want to know which foot will land on the last step of the staircase before proceeding (or something to that effect lol).

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There’s always some degree of ‘jumping’

But if you want to have more PCEs, go for it! Why not?

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I was on a bit of a trip this morning, when I woke up I was immediately looking at those boundaries again but the exploration took some interesting turns lol.

Looking at those boundaries I could see that they are the particular outlines I have made which demarcate myself as an identity, my very existence is interwoven into them. The end product of all this is this glass house that I exist in or exist as. I put this possibility in front of myself - allowing life to happen of its own accord.
What I noticed immediately is that I need life to happen in a particular way not because of any factual reasons but simply because it is what I do.
Then driving to work I started getting a taste of this pristine purity that supports everything from underneath and this is where things got interesting.
This pristine purity is pre-eminent to any ‘human’ yardstick, it exists everywhere all at once and it is already always here, and it appears I have a problem with this lol!

This seeing somehow grinds against the morality within me. I realised immediately that no matter what people get up to, that this pristine purity is still here, it could never not be here, everything that takes place does so within the arena of this pristine purity and this seems wrong! We are too dirty, too evil to be granted such a thing. This pristine purity was permeating all of existence when people were burning each other at the stake. This got me thinking about how people have taken the qualities of the universe and projected them into gods. How humans have taken this universal magnanimity of the actual and perverted it into some religious forgiveness where God loves me even when I am a sinner. It is the universe that is forever dispensing this pristine purity, it can never stop. But in a sense I want it to stop, I want it to come down from the heavens and smite down upon thee! How could it be that this pristine purity is freely given to all - when I have worked so hard to be special and receive my rewards.

The other thing I don’t like about this freely given purity is the issue of being a someone… So I have spent my entire life straining to be a someone, a good person, to achieve some benchmark… And once more this pristine purity takes no note of this, it is dispensed just the same when I am a complete nobody.
It is quite funny the more I think about all this haha, this seeing has exposed so much of the morality within me and I am faced with the fact that this purity cares not for any of those things, so I am the fool.

But the freedom of such a situation where good/evil is replaced with this pristine purity is a bit of an affront to me haha - to the moralist in me. My entire worldview would collapse into this, because all of my values which are based on my beliefs as to what is right and what is wrong, who is good and who is evil will dissolve into this pristine purity.

So to summarise I still fundamentally believe that we should be punished for our wrong doings and rewarded for being good.

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So the next big question is - When is Kub33 going to get off his high horse :laughing:

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It is really “given to all”?

Who but those sensitive and otherwise fortunate, or have worked for to notice, even notice?

The vile of the world are in no way experiencing that purity. Not because of some giving or withholding, but because of the very nature of being vile. If it were not so, actual freedom would be redundant. There would be no benevolent stream towards to best, but rather a random pool of purity which is more like a resource to be mined.

It’s not being “given”. That would imply it’s somewhere over here and being somehow handed to everyone.

Are you conflating the freedom to “do whatever” with the freedom on offer?

I think there is definitely a flavour of otherwise looking, as you say, for something more pure within yourself. Which you correctly see is swinging towards the goals of spirituality.

Ok so example why I can’t accept this absence of good/evil. I am driving down from the shop just now and the car in front of me decides to go ahead and turn without bothering to indicate, I am now stuck trying to work out what the hell is he doing exactly when he slows down to a halt, the rest of the traffic is equally slowed down because of this lousy behaviour, oh the fury! :joy:
This is after some other person yesterday clearly rushing somewhere and pulling out in front of my car and almost crashing into me.
How to let such imbecilic behaviour be seen as anything but deserving of punishment, where there are so many people going about without even having learnt the basics of how to operate in society.

I do seem to have some principle/deep seated hatred of people who operate on a daily basis with a complete lack of awareness of what their actions lead to.

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Hmm, that sounds like in your normal self, the purity and the psychic realm are somewhat “chemically compatible”.

Just the language itself.

I spotted this in myself as I was thinking the other day, “oh, I am identifying with this” I stopped and saw that this was psychology and pop culture polluting actualism.

‘I’ am an identity. I don’t “Identify with”.

good and evil don’t “dissolve into purity”. They are tools that we invented to try and control the brutal instincts which we are psychically formed from.

They are indeed, very necessary tools. Morality, and these labels and beliefs are the best we have.

You are conflating pacifism with freedom.

As if it is some actualist mandate to not notice the imbecile and the like.

I have come to channel that feeling straight back into my determination to do something about the world. As in I will say under my breath “I will end you”.

It’s my crude way of recognising the reason all of this is appealing to start with, not suppressing anger, and otherwise redirect my attention towards how there is something I can do about the situation.

“I will end you” Basically, I am the same stuff, and when ‘I’ end, ‘your’ shittiness is on notice, without ‘you’ even knowing.

Bringing ‘them’ down from the ‘inside’.

It is hard to say what any one person doing this “thing” will do to the reality we experience, but it only takes a pin to bust a balloon. Who knows what Kuba will take out?

Perhaps one of us on this list is something of a “one”, a crucial link in a chain we can’t comprehend.

Like the whole “6 degrees of seperation” , the dominos are all in a pattern we can’t see.

How did Richard know Peter would overhear him at that party?

“Everyone has it 180 degrees opposite”.

Peter’s ears pricked up and we are here having this chat.

I don’t think anyone here doubts that Kuba is a rather powerful Domino which has already caused ripples.

What seems to underpin my ‘righteous anger’ is that had I not come across actual freedom I still don’t think I would be an asshole/imbecile to the extent of the people I come across daily. It’s like I cannot excuse it with - oh it’s the beliefs, oh it’s the instinctual passions. I seem to project it onto people as a personal fault and I am not sure if this is a fact or a belief. I don’t want to let go of some level of ‘righteousness’ because I feel that people should have some basic accountability for their behaviour, actual freedom or not. And the fact that even when presented with a possibility to change people refuse, that seems inexcusable.

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Getting back to my desk just now my colleague reads me a news report of a car that seriously injured 1 and killed another this morning in Leeds where I live, the 2 pedestrians were waiting at a bus stop and the car mounted the curb smashing into them. The person behind the wheel being arrested for dangerous driving. Of course I could choose to believe that the driver was swerving to avoid something else or had a random heart attack but I know more likely (from watching how people drive) it is just because they were doing something blatantly stupid/irresponsible and ended up killing a person.
I guess I cannot avoid the fact that if the human condition was eradicated that this stuff would not really happen, because people would act intelligently and with consideration, but at the moment it is all blurred. It’s like why on earth would I want to burst the balloon for them, when they have not even bothered to not be complete assholes, that is how I currently see it.

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I guess the one thing this makes clear is that altruism is not activated for other identities, how could I sacrifice myself for something so perverse. It is activated for other flesh and blood bodies that are bound and killed by the identities.

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