Vineeto: I just want to check that I don’t misunderstand – when you say “there is actually no other way to travel other than into illusion/ delusion” do you mean “no other way to travel” unless one wants to fall “into illusion/ delusion”?
Kuba: Yes I didn’t like that sentence when I read it back but I ended up leaving it as it is. What I meant was that there is the “utter fullness” and then there is illusion/ delusion. The actual world is all that genuinely exists so the only other ‘direction’ is to remain in illusion/ delusion. Ah I just had a good word come to me! It is the fact that actuality is pre-eminent. In the same way that one can pretend that a fact does not exist but this means nothing, ‘we’ can continue travelling down the path of illusion/delusion and yet this “utter fullness” is pre-eminent, the absoluteness of infinitude is already always here. This is why it was experienced to be a 100% guarantee.
Hi Kuba,
Thank you, I thought you meant that, I just wanted to make sure.
Kuba: It is a weird one because experiencing that “utter fullness” of infinitude the other day it was like a 100% guarantee, there is actually no other way to travel other than into illusion/ delusion. It is more a case of sooner rather than later – just like those enlightened masters ensured a continuation of suffering for 3000-5000 years because they did not dare proceed all the way – if no further pioneers take action now it could be another thousands of years before the human condition comes to an end. (link)
Vineeto: I think your prediction of “another thousands of years” is rather glum to say the least – don’t you, for one, consider to “take action” ?
Kuba: Yes I do and that sentence was in part my own call to action (perhaps a little dramatic
), realising that somebody has to go next, that this is literally the only way it can proceed, that the next person does it, and the next etc.
I appreciate the reasoning for your dramatization. However, are you sure that your perspective is not fed by this “I am not good enough” hangover of the old days, now projected onto all of humanity? Wouldn’t be the fact and experience that actuality is irresistible provide enough pull to proceed without having to ‘kick’ yourself into action with dire projections?
From an objective perspective it will become clear by the quotes further down, that “the continuation of suffering for 3000-5000 years” could only have persisted for so long because there was no alternative to the ‘best of human experience’ until the discovery of an actual freedom. As such all the morals and ethics of atavistic wisdom of dead Masters, Saints and Seers were perpetuated as being the Ultimate Authority. Now that an actual freedom has not only been discovered but has also been replicated via the Direct Route (bypassing enlightenment), these Ultimate Authorities are outdated, to say the least, and there need not “be another thousands of years before the human condition comes to an end”, simply because the alternative is already here as lived experience.
One example is Richard’s hypothesis that full-blown enlightenment is finished, dead, unachievable, illustrated in his question to correspondent No. 22 –
Richard: I might say this much, though: did Mr. Franklin Jones’ physical death in 2008 signify the last of fully enlightened/ fully awakened (as in fully deluded/ fully hallucinated) ‘Beings’ to bestride the real-world … to be meddling in human affairs, to incredible ill effect, for all these millennia now past?
Put differently, why are the subsequent crop of so-called enlightened/ awakened beings of the just-add-water-and-stir variety? (Richard, List D, No. 22a, 5 Jan 2010)
You could say that now there are holes in the ‘psychic web’ of yore, and fresh wind can blow through. I share Richard’s confidence in the effectiveness of facts and actuality – it is indeed the only viable alternative to the perpetuation of malice and sorrow.
“Being actual it is here to stay and, simply because it is fact and not fantasy.” (Richard, List D, No. 11, 2 Dec 2009).
Richard: The words and writings of both an actual and a virtual freedom from the human condition – be they spoken, printed or in pixels are now stored away in brain cells, on bookshelves and hard drives/ tapes/ CD’s/ DVD’s all around the globe. (Richard, Abditorium, Actualism, Materialism, Spiritualism)
The question is how long will it take until there are enough people virtually free and actually free to influence and replace the ancient wisdom still being taught in homes, schools, universities and religious/ spiritual institutions with common sense, facts and actuality, as well as equity and parity amongst human beings.
Vineeto: To propose that the universe cares or “does not care” is to make the error of anthropomorphism/ anthropocentrism. It is animal nature, the software of the instinctual passions, which does not care two hoots about which species thrives and which one perishes. The universe is beneficent, friendly (link), benevolent – it provides the conditions for human life to evolve and, being infinite and eternal and thus perfect, provides for humans to fulfil their destiny. Viz: (link)
Kuba: Yes again I didn’t like those words… How about to say that this “utter fullness” (being pre-eminent and absolute) continually hands out an “invitation to paradise” (this is the call that is being made), however this “utter fullness” does not have a time limit, it is not constrained by any time-span. It is then up to each person to accept this invitation. So the conditions are already always in place and yet the universe does not force one to “join the party”.
Although looking from that place of “utter fullness”, of that 100% guarantee it seemed that even if humans now chose to proceed as they are, that actual freedom would also inevitably happen, in the same way that evolution happened all-round. Except that this would take much longer and would entail much more suffering happening until then. (link)
I’d like to comment a bit further on the part you snipped –
VINEETO: … The universe is beneficent, friendly (link), benevolent – it provides the conditions for human life to evolve and, being infinite and eternal and thus perfect, provides for humans to fulfil their destiny. Viz:
Respondent: … It’s just plain silly to tie Actualism up to a particular world view.
Richard: … And the same applies in regards to the ‘Big Bang’ theory – first proposed, in 1927, by the French Abbé Mr. Georges Lemaitre at the behest of the then pope Mr. Pius XI in a Conference on Cosmology, which was held in the Vatican, in the Pontificia Academia de Scienza di Roma – and the ‘expanding universe’ theory you also mention … if this other person informed me their direct experience was that the universe is indeed finite, temporary, and transitory (and not infinite, eternal, and perpetual you do not actually care about that as it would not render actualism irrelevant, it would not make pure consciousness experiences (PCE’s) no longer valuable, it would not take away the possibility of freedom from the human condition, it would not prevent the possibility of delighting in being here (and doing nothing to prevent another’s delight in being here)? [Emphases added]. Richard, AF List, No. 60a, 22 Jan 2004)
In short, in a finite ‘expanding universe’ an actual freedom would not be possible.
The conditions are given, and have always been existent – the action of freeing oneself from human nature is up to each human being, using their initiative and native intelligence to be perfection personified, which is both one’s birthright and one’s destiny.
Just to highlight the ramifications of spiritual enlightenment having been the summum bonum of human experience for thousands of years, Richard elucidates it further in the follow-up discussion, thereby emphasizing the significance of the discovery of an actual freedom even more clearly –
RESPONDENT: If you are saying that your experience of actual freedom depends on there not having been a ‘Big Bang’, I am at a complete loss to understand why.
RICHARD: No, what I am saying is that the ‘Big Bang’ (a theory first proposed, in 1927, by the French Abbé Mr. Georges Lemaitre at the behest of the then pope Mr. Pius XI in a Conference on Cosmology, which was held in the Vatican, in the Pontificia Academia de Scienza di Roma) depends upon the summum bonum of human experience being spiritual enlightenment (a permanent ASC).
It is the ASC which informs that consciousness gives rise to matter.
Or, to put that differently, what I am saying is that the ‘Big Bang’ (…) depends upon there not being anybody actually free from the human condition (a permanent PCE).
It is the PCE which informs that matter gives rise to consciousness. [Emphases added]. (Richard, AF List, No. 60a, 23 Jan 2004a)
In other words –
RESPONDENT: Richard, an uncluttered space in which to clarify some key issues: What is your basis for claiming that the universe is infinite and eternal?
RICHARD: Apperception (unmediated perception) … as a flesh and blood body only one is this infinite, eternal and perpetual universe experiencing itself apperceptively: as such it is stunningly aware of its own infinitude.
And this is wonderful.
RESPONDENT: With regard to attaining ‘actual freedom from the human condition’, does it matter whether the universe is infinite and eternal?
RICHARD: It is infinitude which makes such a freedom possible … only that which has no opposite is peerless (hence perfect).
RESPONDENT: If time, space and matter had begun with a ‘Big Bang’, would PCE’s still be possible?
RICHARD: No … the peerless perfection of the pure consciousness experience (PCE) would not exist.
RESPONDENT: Would ‘actual freedom’ from the human condition still be possible?
RICHARD: No … the pristine purity of this actual world would not exist. (Richard, AF List, No. 60a, 24 Jan 2004)
You can see that your confidence in the “experiencing that “utter fullness” of infinitude the other day” is indeed “a 100% guarantee”, not only for you but for every pioneer who wants to escape their fate and pursue their destiny.
Cheers Vineeto