I was watching this video about ‘feeling tired all the time,’ which is something I experience sometimes (all the time? Sometimes? Funny…)

The fellow observes that being tired is frequently, maybe even most frequently, more of a feeling than anything to do with being physically exhausted. He argues that when we anticipate doing something, we make a prediction about how it’s going to go, and if it’s predicted to be too difficult to be worth it, we feel tired as a way of avoiding attempting. This also gives us a convenient scapegoat for why we’re not doing the thing: we’re too tired.

This squares with my experience, but also sets up a couple of interesting things about beliefs: that they are predictive, and that they are forcing.

They are predictive because the outcome in question is in the future: ‘I’ subconsciously believe that ‘x’ action will result in ‘y’ outcome, and that ‘y’ outcome is either not preferable or otherwise not worth the effort of ‘x’ action. Because it is subconscious, there is no considerative thought involved; it is merely believed. This believing is frequently very ‘solid’ feeling.

The second aspect is that they come with force: it is not merely that ‘I’ believe that ‘y’ is not worth it, but now a physiological state has been forced upon this body: being tired. Once tired, ‘x’ action might not even be possible, and certainly seems far less appealing. Once the feeling-state has taken over the body, the decision has effectively already been made.

Because beliefs most often remain subconscious, the pattern is most often not noticed that there was a belief-prediction leading to the feeling state; one merely says, “I am tired, therefore I do not want to do ‘x’” But by this time, the power play has already been completed.

The strength of ‘EATMOBA’ is that it dissolves these feeling-state-based beliefs, which allows for increasing lucid consideration of situations rather than the ‘being’ intuitively acting unilaterally.

And the strength of investigation is in noticing these patterns and questioning them so they don’t exist to ‘take over’ in the first place.

The advice the psychiatrist from the video above gives is to ask yourself how you would feel upon getting to the predicted outcome as a way of pushing back on that instinctive ‘tiredness’ ‘not worth it’ reaction.

The actualism version of that would be, 'is ‘y’ predicted outcome factually worth ‘x’ effort? Why do I believe that it’s not worth the effort? And, of course, sometimes things are indeed not worth the effort - but it’s much better to decide that after intelligent consideration of the facts than to let ‘me’ decide before one ever realizes what’s going on!


You can see how such a mode of being came about through our evolution during the man vs nature stage. Seems like blind nature’s way of solving the contradiction between the immense amount of energy required to be exerted in order to survive and the short supply of calories mankind had to deal with for most of its past. It’s time to do away with this phenomena!


Yup, and it really simplifies a complex world for an organism with limited faculties.

You can also see how it works with positive beliefs: ‘I’ have the programming that ‘y’ outcome is highly desirable, and therefore become energized to give full steam toward accomplishing said outcome (usually something to do with reproducing, or eating, or perhaps fighting others…)

Who ‘I’ am is a collection of these automatic beliefs… so interesting. It seems very tangible at this moment.

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That is very interesting indeed!!

Agree with this 100% as I noticed it playing out within myself the hard way. I would use the feeling of being “tired” as a way to avoid a lot of activities during the day. This ranged from socializing to finishing housework that needed to get done. My definition was that if I didn’t get 10 hours of sleep then I was “tired” :laughing: . I really believed that lol. When I faced days that I didn’t get that much sleep then I would get downright depressed as it felt like my day was over. But over and over I found that I could get through the day. I never collapsed from exhaustion or anything like that. It became a positive feedback loop and only lost its grip after a slowly dawning realization of what I was doing to myself.


The amount of times that I’ve pulled the “I’m tired” card and then 10 minutes later had lots of energy… once I’m doing what ‘I’ want…


It’s interesting how “sloth and torpor” is recognized as one of the 5 hindrances towards progress…this article lists several forms it takes and its causes and antidotes…but damn, the very thought of meditating is making me tired :laughing:

The guy in this video is genius level, so switched on.