Being less 'self'-centric and more considerate

Good to see the original topic being engaged :slight_smile:

I basically agree with everything you said before the PS.

In regards to my use of ā€œgenuineā€, I’ll first draw attention to the post #15, especially the content between ā€œRight after I messaged herā€ and ā€œthese euphoric feelings!ā€. Basically, upon realizing that intimacy to ā€˜her’ meant ā€œcaring and sharingā€ (her words[1]), I reached out to her again in two days writing a honest message about how I felt, with the intention of giving it a try again but this time deliberately being/ feeling/ behaving as caring and sharing as possible. Yet, at that time, as those sexual and euphoric feelings were swirling around, I couldn’t honestly deny (and it is sincerity in action) that whatever this ā€˜caring’ and ā€˜sharing’ I could done, would surely be done for the ultimately purpose serving and prolongating those sexual and euphoric feelings as that is exactly ā€œmyā€ motivation, in that moment, in being/ feeling/ behaving as such.

This is not a suggestion to repress affectional intimacy, of course. I am fully aware that the way forward is to experience and ā€œgo throughā€ this intimacy with the total sincerity that comes from seeing the fact of its operation, which is but a fancy way[2] of saying imitate the PCE and with her in particular, looking at all objections on the way. And I’d of course begin with enjoying & appreciating however that affectional intimacy unfolds. If she had accepted my offer (or if/when I’m meeting someone new), this is what I’d have done, while firmly keeping in mind the exact affective ā€˜mechanism’ of that caring & sharing I talked to her about (i.e., not fool myself about it).

PCE (and the affective imitation thereof) is the key, everything else (which I decline to grant one rodent’s derriere about) is such a gas.

Syd

P.S. Your ā€œmorbidly obese personā€ analogy mischaracterizes my focus as an attempt to ā€œfurther one’s own success in that realmā€ … as if I am looking up to these personas for relationship or Actualism advice. My focus, when quotting them, was the clinical observation of a mechanism of affectional intimacy, not a search for mentors. Regarding your ā€œit does seem like it would be contra-indicatedā€: if a reader is upset by these seeing names that it diminishes their enjoyment and appreciation of being alive, then that is a ā€œflashing red lightā€ they might want to look into and talk about in the open, no?


  1. Timeline of our chat, for additional context

    [Woman from Nov]: [..] I only sleep with people who genuinely care about me. [..] I see intimacy as something shared and I see no sharing or caring [..] So NO I don’t have sex when I don’t feel cared for.

    [a week later]

    [Syd]: Hey, just saw this today, since I basically stopped checking Telegram.

    I totally understand what you are saying. Your message did not come across as rude at all. You are quite right that I didn’t actually care for you, because I was still obsessed with my own feelings (I was like a teenager lol). Take care.

    You are an emotionally sound person, and I trust you will recover from your recent stressful experiences. I’m glad to have gotten to know you (at least what little I knew). I’ll say hi as usual if we bump into each other. :slight_smile: Thank you very much for our get togethers.

    [Woman from Nov]: deletes conversation for both

    [2 days later]

    [Syd]: Thinking about it all, I feel very saddened about having fucked up. You were perfect throughout (utterly considerate towards me), I was not.

    Right about when you went on your weekend [elided], the old feelings resurfaced and I became scared once again and so sought a way to cowardly end it with the help of my friend.

    I’m sorry I was not able to care and share, even though I wanted that with you. I was indeed self-centered.

    I feel there’s a tension in the air between us (primarily because of that out of tune message). I may have hurt you more than I can understand. If there’s anyway I can help, let me know.

    I’m not afraid anymore. I’d love to give it another try with you. And actually get to know you this time. Not be so focused on myself for once.

    Not a day has gone by where I don’t think about you. I’d love the chance to make things right.

    [Woman from Nov]: deletes conversation for both

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  2. PCE (and the affective imitation thereof) is the key, everything else (which I decline to grant one rodent’s derriere about) is such a gas. ā†©ļøŽ

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