1 October 2017
Q3:
Okay one question I did have was whether near-actual caring was utilised by all persons to become actually free or whether it was something unique to Vineeto’s self-immolation (and perhaps Peter’s also)?
Dona: Vineeto “coined” this term when people asked her to explain her experience of becoming actually free. She said that near-actual caring is what can set altruism in motion/action, which is needed for self-immolation. Without that “motivation” for “this body, that body and every body” it is impossible to make that leap.
As far as she can see, everyone (in some way) did utilize near-actual caring.
Alan: Richard suggested Vineeto be very careful when using the term as it could lead to confusion – which it has, particularly so in my case lol
To become actually free it is necessary to use something outside of ‘myself’ – ‘I’ cannot eliminate ‘myself’. It does not matter what the “something” is – a caring as near to an actual caring as is possible as an identity can muster, as happened for her and Peter. Doing it for this body, that body and every body is another possibility i.e. not for ‘me’. They likened it to the quote from Archimedes – “give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world” – the “fulcrum” is ‘outside’ of the earth.
[Q3] This second question is more of a confirmation re: whether my understanding is right:
I hit a bit of brick wall when I realised recently that for self-immolation to occur it had to be more than just ‘me’ intending to disappear and jumping into the actuality, I have experienced in PCE’s. It has to involve my really wanting to bridge the separation that exists between myself and others (this and other bodies). So I cannot just ignore feeling caring and sweep it under the carpet like a dirty secret. Awareness of those feelings is crucial for self-immolation to eventually occur. I can ‘dare to care’ rather than dissociate from those feelings. Not wanting to enter an intimate relationship or being afraid of falling in love is a sign of such a dissociation. Eventually I realise the limitations of feeling caring and also realise that if I really care about the person I’m with - and every person alive today, myself included - I will have to give up living in the real world.
Dona: yes, it is important not to sweep any feelings under the carpet, as well as not to dissociate from them.
Not wanting to get into a relationship because of fear of love/caring is a sure sign that we are not willing to deal with these feelings. And until we do (deal with them - any feeling), we cannot become actually free.
Alan: Richard stressed that he has never advised anyone to stop “feeling caring”. The world would be a poorer place without feeling caring (my words).
From Alan & Dona’s questions to Richard & Vineeto in 2017
“Hence it came to pass one fine evening that feeling-being ‘Vineeto’ realised, with a profound visceral impact, how ‘she’ had never actually cared – although ‘she’ certainly felt caring (in fact ‘she’ had a deeply-ingrained and ongoing feeling of caring about all the misery and mayhem) – and upon that realisation transforming itself into an actualisation (as per the intimacy-yearning process detailed in the ‘Direct Route Mail-Out № 05 email part-quoted at the top of this page) it activated “a caring which is as close to an actual caring as an identity can muster” and there was indeed action which was not of ‘her’ doing … to wit: the ending of ‘her’ and all ‘her’ subterfuge and trickery (just to stay in keeping with the above wording purely for effect).”
-Richard