Yes what @claudiu describes also sums up what I am getting at very well. @rick My intent is not for this to come across as bashing you for just trying to have some fun with contemplation. I would think the reason why were are all here on this forum is to become actually free of the human condition, to actually do it. So probing and questioning these things is not just about intellectual masturbation or one-upmanship but that there is benefit to be gained for all by getting to the bottom of these things, by finding out the facts.
I was always hesitant to engage in these sort of discussions until that 25 or so minute PCE that happened for me directly after reading and contemplating @rick’s and @claudiu’s back and forth thread - Drawing the line between feeling and fact