Cause of Bias?

Well instead of respectful or disrespectful I would think of it in terms of sensible or not sensible.

In that sense I agree with Richard that it is not sensible – to the point of it being “rank[1] absurdity[2]” (although I would prefer the phrase “wildly unreasonable” for example) – to say that you can make a case for why people without a self are “biased” or have “cognitive limitations” or have “bat-shit crazy opinions” or are “stubbornly irrational” etc, without needing to provide any examples of it!

Of course you have to provide examples! To make a theory of why they would be that way, you first have to show that they are that way. If you can’t show that they are then there’s nothing to make a theory out of, it’s only so much hot air. And of the two examples of ‘bad arguments’ you gave, one (“Soros is a socialist”) they didn’t even make (wrong context), and the other was not being presented as an argument!

Did you notice how the thread went on for over a hundred messages (188 to be exact) mulling over why Vineeto would make such bad arguments before I posted Vineeto pointing out one of the arguments they never made and the other wasn’t an argument at all… and then when I posted (part of) the actual argument she and Richard make (partly in #194 and #196 and then more fully in #198) the thread stopped?

When presented with the actual argument, there was nothing left to be said about why they make ‘bad arguments’. Cause it became clear they weren’t making a bad argument, haha. So therefore there’s no theory necessary to be made.

(Also as an aside, one might wonder why when the same topic came up (global warming) for you and for me, you left the exchange with the mistaken impression of at least 2 bad arguments that they don’t actually make, while I left the exchange with the actual (and good) arguments they do actually make…)

If it doesn’t matter then why even post it???

If, as it appears to be the case, the only way your theory can hold water is by considering things said in private, then it is also “rank absurdity” / wildly unreasonable / simply not sensible, to make a public post about it beating around the bush and alluding to things you can’t talk about meanwhile leading everyone on a fairy-tale unicorn dog chase with supposedly bad arguments that it turns out they weren’t but which then doesn’t really matter that they weren’t anyway cause the actual bad argument is something else…

And this is the crux maybe. You have an issue with some things Vineeto and Richard said in private. As such it’s a private issue, so… how could it hurt to reach out to them and discuss it in an appropriately private setting? I’ve never walked away from an interaction with Richard or Vineeto worse than when I started! Worst case they don’t reply and you are left in the same situation. Best case, they can help resolve some issues.

Cheers,
Claudiu


  1. rank: complete and utter (used for emphasis) ↩︎

  2. absurdity: the quality or state of being ridiculous or wildly unreasonable. ↩︎

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